I see the verdict is not guilty. It appears there was not enough evidence to convict of anything. Apparently the prosecutor's reluctance to bring charges in the first place has been proven to be appropriate.

Please refrain from personal attacks in this thread. Most of us had feelings one way or another on this but it does no good to attack each other verbally.

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I don't understand why a voice analysis could not tell who was screaming on the tape. Can anyone answer that? Is the autopsy report available to look at? I still wonder about the weight of Martin.

OK, I found the autopsy report on line. TM was 5' 11 and weighed 158#. Autopsy remarked average musculature and a BMI of 22. It mentioned injuries to the knuckles and really nothing else in the way of injuries.

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My view is that if he was aquitted by a jury of his peers, then I will stand by their decision in judging him not guilty, no matter what my opinion prior was.

Cases like this are always a media circus, and its difficult for third party spectators like ourselves to really be sure what's hype, what's fact, and what's media milking of guranteed story.

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In terms of him not being guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I too will respect their decision. However, I do not accord GZ 'pure as the driven snow' status. His paranoia and vindictiveness moved him to see a problem where there wasn't one. He was the author of this drama, even if TM did possibly end up bringing part of it on himself.

GZ was a wanna-be tough guy, I always figured that he had been no much for a skinny young athlete. His mma trainer affirmed what I had thought about him, that is, a wimp and a wuss.

This event will dog him all his days. He'll be a bit like Rodney King, that is, every misstep of his in future will be widely broadcast.

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Completely agree.

I would add that we follow the law. If done properly, justice may derive. But it is not guaranteed. There is no perfect justice on Earth. We do the best we can.

There must exist enough voice recording to pattern the individual on THAT particular recording. Another recording wont do because conditions (microphone, background, etc) affect the signature recovery. It's a characteristic of statistics that one needs a sufficient sample size to determine confidence. Since there was not sufficient time it ends up being unsupportable 'best professional judgement." You end up with dueling unsupportable opinions -- a rat-hole.

Go to the testimony of people who knew the individuals intimately -- parents & friends. Both sides claimed the screaming was from their loved one. That is equivocal, contradictory evidence. I think you woul dagree with me that we do not wish to send a man to jail based on contradictory evidence, do we?

Common sense prevailed over PC hysteria. Justice prevailed

I felt the same way after the OJ trial.

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You ca't draw a single parallel with the OJ trial...OJ was guilty as sin, but you can't bring illegally gotten evidence into court. That evidence was gotten without a warrant...

In the end, I was glad to see OJ walk, because it was a constitutional case at that point. I was also glad to see him lose the civil case, because he WAS guilty.

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I am glad to see that immense political and biased social pressure was overcome, racism was overcome, the evidence outweighed conjecture and a fair decision resulted. This should have never been brought to trial, but it was and its over. I hope no one is injured or killed in any backlash from society's rebuttal to the decision.

The blatant manipulation of the information by the media was disgusting...the use of out dated pictures of Martin, the lack of pictures of Zimmermans injuries until very late into the process, the playing and hyping of the race card by the media and its lackeys was unworthy of an Oscar.

I hope Angela Corey and her office is investigated for evidence withholding and succumbing to political and social presurre for bringing forward a case that should not have been moved forward if not for the "pressures" that were applied from the White House down, NAACP, Sharpton and his gang and the others who instigated racial presurres to move this case forward. The former police chief of Sanford should sue for compensatory damages and possibly civil rights abuses for his dismissal. The Zimmermans should sue the news outlet, was it NBC, that tampered with the 911 call and broadcasted a manipulated version. The media started the flame, fed the flame, poured gas on the flame to ensure it reached "acceptable" heights of noticabability and then stayed on task to ensure the flames will continue to be fanned.

Hence the rolleyes smilie. We really need a tongue in cheek one.

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Sorry, I see eye rolls as hateful, snarky and sarcastic...I have current teenagers, remember?

I agree that they need to update the smilies...

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TOTALLY different,......

The prosecution started losing the case with their star witnesses...they all basically turned into witnesses for the defense. They did the best they could with the evidence they had, but it wasn't enough to overcome reasonable doubt. When they decided to go with the lesser charge of Manslaughter, they conceded that they lost. There was no way that any honest jury could say that the shooting was anything less than self defense...especially with Prosecution witness John Good saying that he saw the lighter colored man on the bottom, and the darker colored person on top of him, pummeling him.

It's clear now for everyone that the racial angle is coming from the black community...the head of the NAACP has asked the Feds to get involved and bring civil rights charges against Zimmerman.

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