I've never been murdered so I can't be against murder or understand anything about murder.

You are the paragon of logic which is illogical.

It was a response to another poster who loves to bring in historical figures like Stalin, Marx, Woodrow Wilson and others in the mix to tell us he's not a racist but others are. Talking about "the paragon of logic".

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Being that un-named other poster, I have a great appreciation for history. The roots of much of liberal politics are in the past, and you refuse to acknowledge your own heritage.
I guess because you accuse me of being a racist, that means I must be--is that your logic?

I think racism is used much as the Soviets used to use people that called "useful idiots"--people who unwittingly further the Soviet cause without knowing it.

Do I believe that there is zero racism? NOT at all. But I don't believe its the primary motive for all non-white behavior.
I have been opposed to left wing policies since Goldwater--and most liberal politicians over the years have been white. I was only accused of racism when Barack Obama began his run. Does that make me a racist, or simply a paleo Conservative?
Stop making racism the cause for every issue, and I'll stop reminding you of W. Wilson, and M. Sanger. ( but if you look at what they wanted, you will see the democrats have managed to make considerable progress toward their goals.)

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I don't accuse you at all for being a racist, I doubt you are one and to be frank I don't really care. Racism is more of a problem for the racist (the one that lives in hate and fear) than the people he hates because of their skin. But I do find you excuses for not being a racist fascinating; It's like you are trying to justify it because the "other" side is racist as well. And I aree they are; racism doesn't follow politics.

The real problem I have is that most white Americans can not imagen how it is to be black in America in the 21st century and wave the existence of racism away because they don't see it or experience it. I call this a naive form of racism; harmfull but not filled with hate.

I'm confused about what you mean about "my heritage"; do you mean me being a liberal (and to be honest I don't even know what a liberal is) or the fact that the Dutch were the last ones to ship slaves from Africa to America?

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So it is some of your fault?



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Based on his looks I imagine GZ has experienced racism.

I will say that it is real easy to tell the ppl that are racist against me. They won't pay their car repair bill when it comes time to pay the mechanic. Color or nationality do not seem to make any difference. I turn their work down nowadays.

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A little...

The shameful part is that the Dutch were one of the first to abolish slavery on Dutch soil, but were the last European country to abolish the trade of slaves. The Dutch were also the most efficient slave traders, they got the most yield.

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My own Father's Family (before He was married) had a tough time. But, when He tries to explain how bad He felt back then. I can see some of the bad effects it had on Him but I cannot identify with it as it did not happen to Me.
In addition I am not responsible for what Happened to Him.

I see My not identifying with My Fathers experience that same as what you are saying concerning Race. Likewise My Father does not identify with problems I have had in My life either; He does not see them as something important.

So what is left out of that is We live in a Country where the Individual used to be held responsible for there own life.
We were expected to try to overcome what bad things happened to use and try to move on with our life.
Not everyone succeeds at that but most are at least a little better off for trying.

So a lot of the White Racism has been illegal for quite a while now. Maybe not long enough historically for some.
While the Cost of Education has risen in the past it was not so costly.

What ever Race someone is they have a chance to do well in School if they can motivate themselves to do so (I had trouble with that Myself) and they can go on to College or a Trade School (I did that) or even Enlist in the Military (I did that also) if they don't have a criminal record.
They can do the regardless of Race.
Or they can get involved in Gangs and Drugs and so on and blame Whitey and a history of abuses that they themselves never suffered.

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I want to be clear.

I believe ( and this probably applies equally to all political parties--maybe all group), that many who call themselves, and vote democrat/ liberal/Progressive do so with good motives. They honestly believe that the programs they support will be good for the intended people. However, I also believe that there is a leadership group whose motives are less pure--these are motivated by power, or greed, or world domination. These are the ones whose heritage includes Wilson, and Sanger.

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Had you left out the the bold portions I would give it more credibility. As it stands, it's quite sanctimonious in my opinion.

I vote the way I do because I think the alternative is worse. I do not agree with everything Obama does. I agree with less that McCain or Romney would have done.

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Well, no kidding.That's true, but is woefully incomplete. I don't vote for Democrats because they support more government programs. I vote for them because they usually are much better stewards than the clowns put up for election by the GOP. Take Virginia as an example. Since at least as far back as the early 1900s, Virginia always was (and is again) at the top of the list of well managed states. We have a strong pay-as-you go tradition. Our bond ratings never used to come up for discussion. Everyone just assumed that we got the highest ratings there are. Then, the GOP abandoned any pretense of conservative governance, deciding instead to go for right-wing bomb throwing and gimmicks. In the 1990s, we elected two of this new type of Republican to be our governor - George Allen (1994-1997) and Jim "No Car Tax" Gilmore (1998-2001). Allen went on a spending spree but failed to raise revenue to match his spending. Gilmore, probably the worst governor in Virginia's history, was the ultimate gimmick governor. He was so bad on fiscal matters that even his own party opposed him. He left to his successor, Democrat Mark Warner, the largest budget shortfall in the history of Virginia. Thankfully, Mark Warner was one of the best governors we ever had. He worked with the GOP-dominated General Assembly to get things back on track. He was followed in the Governorship by an even more conservative fiscal manager, Democrat Tim Kaine. Compare Allen/Gilmore to Warner/Kaine and you will see an example of why people prefer Democrats on fiscal matters.

I don't why the GOP is bad at running the government, but it probably has something to do with their hatred for it.

Good for you.

I live in Maryland--the "Free State" where everything, including the rain is taxed. This is probably the worst managed state in the union, and vying for highest taxed. If it weren't for the proximity to the federal teat, we'd probably be among the poorest.

Just saying that as an illustration that ANY single-party government is inherently corrupt and inefficient. No party is morally superior.

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