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Air&Road · #1 07-30-2013, 09:46 AM

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Being that un-named other poster, I have a great appreciation for history. The roots of much of liberal politics are in the past, and you refuse to acknowledge your own heritage.
I guess because you accuse me of being a racist, that means I must be--is that your logic?

I think racism is used much as the Soviets used to use people that called "useful idiots"--people who unwittingly further the Soviet cause without knowing it.

Do I believe that there is zero racism? NOT at all. But I don't believe its the primary motive for all non-white behavior.
I have been opposed to left wing policies since Goldwater--and most liberal politicians over the years have been white. I was only accused of racism when Barack Obama began his run. Does that make me a racist, or simply a paleo Conservative?
Stop making racism the cause for every issue, and I'll stop reminding you of W. Wilson, and M. Sanger. ( but if you look at what they wanted, you will see the democrats have managed to make considerable progress toward their goals.)

Like Obama supporters.

JamesDean · #2 07-30-2013, 01:32 PM

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Like Obama supporters.

MS Fowler · #3 07-30-2013, 08:27 PM

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Like Obama supporters.

I want to be clear.

I believe ( and this probably applies equally to all political parties--maybe all group), that many who call themselves, and vote democrat/ liberal/Progressive do so with good motives. They honestly believe that the programs they support will be good for the intended people. However, I also believe that there is a leadership group whose motives are less pure--these are motivated by power, or greed, or world domination. These are the ones whose heritage includes Wilson, and Sanger.

davidmash · #4 07-31-2013, 11:42 AM

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I want to be clear.

I believe ( and this probably applies equally to all political parties--maybe all group), that many who call themselves, and vote democrat/ liberal/Progressive do so with good motives. They honestly believe that the programs they support will be good for the intended people. However, I also believe that there is a leadership group whose motives are less pure--these are motivated by power, or greed, or world domination. These are the ones whose heritage includes Wilson, and Sanger.

Had you left out the the bold portions I would give it more credibility. As it stands, it's quite sanctimonious in my opinion.

I vote the way I do because I think the alternative is worse. I do not agree with everything Obama does. I agree with less that McCain or Romney would have done.

Honus · #5 07-31-2013, 12:01 PM

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I want to be clear.

I believe ( and this probably applies equally to all political parties--maybe all group), that many who call themselves, and vote democrat/ liberal/Progressive do so with good motives.

Well, no kidding.

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They honestly believe that the programs they support will be good for the intended people....

That's true, but is woefully incomplete. I don't vote for Democrats because they support more government programs. I vote for them because they usually are much better stewards than the clowns put up for election by the GOP. Take Virginia as an example. Since at least as far back as the early 1900s, Virginia always was (and is again) at the top of the list of well managed states. We have a strong pay-as-you go tradition. Our bond ratings never used to come up for discussion. Everyone just assumed that we got the highest ratings there are. Then, the GOP abandoned any pretense of conservative governance, deciding instead to go for right-wing bomb throwing and gimmicks. In the 1990s, we elected two of this new type of Republican to be our governor - George Allen (1994-1997) and Jim "No Car Tax" Gilmore (1998-2001). Allen went on a spending spree but failed to raise revenue to match his spending. Gilmore, probably the worst governor in Virginia's history, was the ultimate gimmick governor. He was so bad on fiscal matters that even his own party opposed him. He left to his successor, Democrat Mark Warner, the largest budget shortfall in the history of Virginia. Thankfully, Mark Warner was one of the best governors we ever had. He worked with the GOP-dominated General Assembly to get things back on track. He was followed in the Governorship by an even more conservative fiscal manager, Democrat Tim Kaine. Compare Allen/Gilmore to Warner/Kaine and you will see an example of why people prefer Democrats on fiscal matters.

I don't why the GOP is bad at running the government, but it probably has something to do with their hatred for it.

MS Fowler · #6 07-31-2013, 07:40 PM

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Well, no kidding.That's true, but is woefully incomplete. I don't vote for Democrats because they support more government programs. I vote for them because they usually are much better stewards than the clowns put up for election by the GOP. Take Virginia as an example. Since at least as far back as the early 1900s, Virginia always was (and is again) at the top of the list of well managed states. We have a strong pay-as-you go tradition. Our bond ratings never used to come up for discussion. Everyone just assumed that we got the highest ratings there are. Then, the GOP abandoned any pretense of conservative governance, deciding instead to go for right-wing bomb throwing and gimmicks. In the 1990s, we elected two of this new type of Republican to be our governor - George Allen (1994-1997) and Jim "No Car Tax" Gilmore (1998-2001). Allen went on a spending spree but failed to raise revenue to match his spending. Gilmore, probably the worst governor in Virginia's history, was the ultimate gimmick governor. He was so bad on fiscal matters that even his own party opposed him. He left to his successor, Democrat Mark Warner, the largest budget shortfall in the history of Virginia. Thankfully, Mark Warner was one of the best governors we ever had. He worked with the GOP-dominated General Assembly to get things back on track. He was followed in the Governorship by an even more conservative fiscal manager, Democrat Tim Kaine. Compare Allen/Gilmore to Warner/Kaine and you will see an example of why people prefer Democrats on fiscal matters.

I don't why the GOP is bad at running the government, but it probably has something to do with their hatred for it.

Good for you.

I live in Maryland--the "Free State" where everything, including the rain is taxed. This is probably the worst managed state in the union, and vying for highest taxed. If it weren't for the proximity to the federal teat, we'd probably be among the poorest.

Just saying that as an illustration that ANY single-party government is inherently corrupt and inefficient. No party is morally superior.

Honus · #7 07-31-2013, 08:26 PM

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...No party is morally superior.

Superior to what?

MS Fowler · #8 07-31-2013, 09:40 PM

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Superior to what?

to anything, but specifically each other.

Honus · #9 07-31-2013, 09:48 PM

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to anything, but specifically each other.

They aren't superior to anything? Not even, say, the KKK?

As for whether the GOP is morally superior to the Democrats, or vice versa, we will have to agree to disagree. Neither party is anything to write home about, but the GOP has really gone off the rails.