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spdrun · #46 08-09-2013, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by link

That’s okay with me, if you want to do that. I try to avoid conflict with the IRS and playing into this kind of scam does not serve that end.

That said, I’m sure it could be worked out on paper so that there is no scam overtly or by implication, but for reasons unknown to us, that is not the offer the person has been given.

Link: if you're paid up, you're unlikely to have a conflict with the IRS. The tsuris will be on the company's end, and that qualifies as Not Her Problem(tm).

If the company is owned by a Sicilian syndicate who'd be willing to use extreme measures, I'd change that view, of course.

Skid Row Joe · #47 08-09-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Just to let you know, this is a position also offered in the US with the same rules. I can say that it's a US based (and headquartered) company.

This is starting to sound like a church/religious organization deal to me...... Is it a church or non-profit ("company)" providing the employment/funding/expenses that you're talking about here?

link · #48 08-09-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Link: if you're paid up, you're unlikely to have a conflict with the IRS. The tsuris will be on the company's end, and that qualifies as Not Her Problem(tm).

My previous comment was probably a knee jerk.

So I’ll try again. If you had a business in the first place and were never paid as an emPloyee prior to this offer, I’d agree with your approach.

But if you were an emPloyee, taking the steps you suggested falls right into the path of things some do to avoid taxation. I understand that you’d pay these taxes but still suspect it would be looked at closely by the IRS. I dunno if it would trigger an audit.

It may be perfectly legal, but the requirement of secrecy hints otherwise.

Anywho, given the circumstances, I’d pay a couple of hundred dollars to get the opinion of an attorney with training in the area. The local bar association could make a recommendation for some suitable for the task. I would NOT take it to company attorney.

BTW I liked the use or “tsuris.”

martureo · #49 08-09-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

This is starting to sound like a church/religious organization deal to me...... Is it a church or non-profit ("company)" providing the employment/funding/expenses that you're talking about here?

I'm not sure, but I believe the company is considered "non-profit". At least this part of it.

And yes, they are the ones providing the "reimbursement" and employment.

Jim B. · #50 08-09-2013, 02:30 PM

There can be a fine line between tax EVASION and tax AVOIDANCE.

Which one applies here?

martureo · #51 08-09-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by link

My previous comment was probably a knee jerk.

So I’ll try again. If you had a business in the first place and were never paid as an emPloyee prior to this offer, I’d agree with your approach.

But if you were an emPloyee, taking the steps you suggested falls right into the path of things some do to avoid taxation. I understand that you’d pay these taxes but still suspect it would be looked at closely by the IRS. I dunno if it would trigger an audit.

It may be perfectly legal, but the requirement of secrecy hints otherwise.

Anywho, given the circumstances, I’d pay a couple of hundred dollars to get the opinion of an attorney with training in the area. The local bar association could make a recommendation for some suitable for the task. I would NOT take it to company attorney.

BTW I liked the use or “tsuris.”

Again, that's what gets me so agitated, the secrecy of this.

Heck, I wasn't even supposed to be able to view the packet of information. It was for her eyes (and her husband's) only.

I'm sure glad they shared it with me. It gives a whole new perspective into what some institutions are doing.

Skid Row Joe · #52 08-09-2013, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I'm not sure, but I believe the company is considered "non-profit". At least this part of it.

And yes, they are the ones providing the "reimbursement" and employment.

I've always been of the opinion that any non-profit does some strange things when it comes to money and employment arrangement(s).

I think a very interesting book could be written as reporting many of their outlandish financial doings.

I'd be oh so wary of being involved with them, financially speaking.

Skid Row Joe · #53 08-09-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim B.

There can be a fine line between tax EVASION and tax AVOIDANCE.

Which one applies here?

The OP has now revealed they're a non-profit, Jim......

David Koresh had any number of attorneys and accountants on-board in his non-profit organization too. Call me way *skeptical* of them........

JB3 · #54 08-09-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Medical insurance is fully paid by the company. It's pretty good insurance too. (I know someone who has the same plan they offer)

And oh yeah.... you're not supposed to have legal counsel to make this decision. She might be in violation for showing me.

any agreement which automatically requires that you do not have legal representation or the right to have legal representation examine a binding document is automatically a terrible idea for her to sign.

Despite the standard "i hate lawyers" mindset, there are things in a document that a lawyer will pick up that joe public like myself will not. Ive been saved by good legal advice several times before now, and I think that would act as a huge warning sign that they specifically don't want her to show a lawyer.

I say do it anyway, if she has a copy, she should take it by her own lawyer and get his opinion on it.

P.C. · #55 08-09-2013, 02:55 PM

So many red flags...so little time.

aklim · #56 08-09-2013, 03:03 PM

Because you stiffed me, my ethics allow me to burn your house down. That or because you deflowered my 14 yo virgin of a daughter and have no plans to marry her, I will kill you and her.

What is ethical? Show me an agreed to standard for ethics and we can talk. Ethics is pretty much personal. LEGALITY IS NOT.

Lets work with the legal first. See what a lawyer has to say. If it is legal, ethics can be brought to play. If not, run.

Skid Row Joe · #57 08-09-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Medical insurance is fully paid by the company. It's pretty good insurance too. (I know someone who has the same plan they offer)

And oh yeah.... you're not supposed to have legal counsel to make this decision. She might be in violation for showing me.

Can they get the above in writing? I think you're dealing with a very shady organization here.

By "showing you," she's already breaking 'ethics,' if you haven't noticed that.....

martureo · #58 08-09-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Can they get the above in writing? I think you're dealing with a very shady organization here.

Oh believe me, it's given me a whole new perspective into this organization.

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By "showing you," she's already breaking 'ethics,' if you haven't noticed that.....

But really she hasn't signed anything nor agreed to anything yet. So technically we are violating their request not their command.

martureo · #59 08-09-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Because you stiffed me, my ethics allow me to burn your house down. That or because you deflowered my 14 yo virgin of a daughter and have no plans to marry her, I will kill you and her.

What is ethical? Show me an agreed to standard for ethics and we can talk. Ethics is pretty much personal. LEGALITY IS NOT.

Lets work with the legal first. See what a lawyer has to say. If it is legal, ethics can be brought to play. If not, run.

Off topic of the OP, but thank you.

Some atheists are inconsistent. You're one of the few who actually believes it.

pmckechnie · #60 08-09-2013, 03:34 PM

I have read this whole thread and one thing comes to mind. I haven't seen where she gets anything out of this except her expenses paid. What does she get out of it? I wouldn't go across the street for nothing, much less to another country.

Paul

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