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Old 09-01-2013, 08:17 AM
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I agree being liked is the wrong goal. Being respected is good.

Also being thought of as a serious person who thinks before acting will promote a feeling of trust with our allies.

Being feared because of our strength of character is good too...as opposed to being feared because one is erratic and unpredictable.

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Old 09-01-2013, 08:30 AM
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Pathetic....

and really?? you think the world took Bush seriously? but they don't take Obama seriously?? you need to update yourself with the numbers my friend.
What's pathetic is that our BO is doing nothing but a gimmick to bolster his pathetic numbers and his apparent lack of any "legacy" ... I guess he's gaming the end state for what's coming up in the next 3 years remaining in a truly failed presidency. So yes, check the numbers my friend.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:36 AM
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Ya'll think them "Made in the US" drones make em take us more seriously?
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:55 AM
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The U.S. is not only being called out over Syria.
From past wars in the Caribbean, Central America, Phillipines, Vietnam and Indochina.
Through the coups and covert OPs in Iran, Iraq, Africa, to the recent killing fields in Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia, the historical picture is complete.


If nuclear war broke out because of the mistake of a self deluded , Narcissistic Nobel peace laureate that would be the most anti-climactic absurdity.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:10 AM
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Yesterday Obama announced that while he wants to attack Syria, he'll seek approval from congress.
Where's the hypocrisy now?
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:16 AM
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Why should we be part of it? Why not just pull out before the place goes ?

I need to remember that one!

...Obama's doing a nice job filling in, though.
Please give an example of him talking smack.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:18 AM
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Yesterday Obama announced that while he wants to attack Syria, he'll seek approval from congress.
Where's the hypocrisy now?
Right. Its a good move politically. Let them buy in or buy out. That way its a little harder to criticize him no matter what he does.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:27 AM
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Right. Its a good move politically. Let them buy in or buy out. That way its a little harder to criticize him no matter what he does.
Yes, play both sides. Just to be safe.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:37 AM
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That does not seem like playing both sides to me.
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Please give an example of him talking smack.
Yesterday he said that no one is more war weary than he was. I am sure that if you were paying respects to a son, daughter, brother, sister, cousin, close friend, or neighbors grave who was lost in Afghanistan, or on o tour over there and it was not your first than you would be more war weary the he is! Always interjecting himself into a subject to get some sympathy when it suits him. I am sorry I left out if you were were visiting a parents, or spouse's grave that would most likely be the most war weary. He should appolagize for that.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:47 AM
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It is not about congress buying in or out. It is their call.

He got caught trying to bypass them again and the people are weary of him.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:52 AM
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He should appolagize for that.
Why do people expect and accept an "apology" as a way to erase the transgresson? The person giving the apology is never is truly sorry for their behavior. However, they feel the need to give an apology to stifle the criticism. Surprisingly, it usually works.

Why should an apology work? The person isn't sorry (never sorry in politics).

Personally, I never accept an apology from a politician. The original behavior shows their true persona. The apology doesn't change that fact.
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:58 AM
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Political jabering from the Repubs because he has an action to deal with is the rub ,Bush had his Arena for weapons of mass destruction , wmd ,remember those. This seems to be about already used wmds ,along with a trapped area waiting for response ,not something we should jump into with all feet, fishy at best.Some dealings weve involved ourselves are still waiting completion in the area ,another long awaiting quicksand is what we dont need right now,the discussion continues .Service men and women need a break would be my quote for the board room .We need future forward thinking in these matters ,not jumping the gun on every conflict at hand.All the money it takes for us to build a war,control an area with military then rebuild what we destroyed was Iraq .A sequel is what Syria would become, a trap door if you ask me ,not a good idea.Challenged around the world was Rome and look were that road led them.
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Old 09-01-2013, 12:05 PM
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Why do people expect and accept an "apology" as a way to erase the transgresson? The person giving the apology is never is truly sorry for their behavior. However, they feel the need to give an apology to stifle the criticism. Surprisingly, it usually works.

Why should an apology work? The person isn't sorry (never sorry in politics).

Personally, I never accept an apology from a politician. The original behavior shows their true persona. The apology doesn't change that fact.
Very true, and mostly when they say my apology if my comments offended you.
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Old 09-01-2013, 12:09 PM
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All of these guys apologized. Some of them more then once.


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