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Old 11-27-2013, 03:26 PM
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Who said anything about incarceration? A bullet costs a lot less than lock up.

Special note to those who might pack heat; it has recently come to Husky's attention that shooting a culprit more than once may result in charges brought followed by a conviction and time in the big house. OTH, Perps, muggers and scum, can shoot you 886 times straight, no problem. You, on the other hand, have to show that you were not acting too aggressively. Be aware that even with these safeguards, you still might be sued civilly. It's a lawsuit happy world out there.

Husky believes that if Zimmerman had pulled the trigger multiple times, it is possible he would have been convicted and sent straight to Cell Block #9. The Oklahoma City Pharmacist pulled the trigger multiple times which resulted in his conviction.

Remember, be nice to criminals and the system will be nice to you!!
What that fellow did was somewhat removed from merely not being nice to the criminal. The perp was on the ground, incapacitated, and the guy reloaded and executed him. Not allowed. Sorry.

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Old 11-27-2013, 03:37 PM
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What that fellow did was somewhat removed from merely not being nice to the criminal. The perp was on the ground, incapacitated, and the guy reloaded and executed him. Not allowed. Sorry.
Correct. Perhaps you haven't had time to read my subsequent post where I totally agree with you 110%.

This. Z shot TM ONE TIME ONLY. OTH, Pharma man fired multiple guns multiple times into the perp. Z beat the rap while Pharma was sent to Cell Block #9. Had Pharma duplicated Z's methods and fired only one bullet into the perp, most likely Pharma would be back working at his pharmacy.

If working at a pharmacy and a group of thugs comes into the store to rob you, and you have decided to have a firearm in the store to protect yourself and your employes, best have only ONE gun with only ONE bullet in the clip. That way you won't "over react". The perp, OTH, isn't required to play by the same rules. I'm sure you understand.

It's a PC world nowadays. Best hop on the train.
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Old 11-27-2013, 03:37 PM
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This post immediately makes me wonder if you are a racist.
I'm a man who is not going to take any crap from a bunch of punks, be they white, green, purple or any other color.

Many of these situations involve non-white assailants.

The would-be victim is white and in some cases - armed. He does what is needed to protect himself. If the mere sight of a 40 cal. isn't enough to deter assault, he's left with no choice.

Afterwards, he's immediately branded as a racist.

You have a problem with a man defending himself against punks?
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Old 11-27-2013, 03:51 PM
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Oh course they are worse - but you apparently didn't understand the context. MTI said an assault is just an assault; if we take his view then race based violence should be treated no different than any other violence. You and Tom W ought to have a catch up to speed get-together, then your comments will make sense, hopefully.
OK, I'll bite....Can you explain why race-based violence is, or should be treated differently than "ordinary" violence. If I have been shot/ mugged/ murdered, does it hurt less if the perps were the same race as me?
How many crimes are NOT "hate" related? Does it matter? Do we punish actions, or intents?
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:39 AM
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Actually, they grew up playing their own sicko games in the hood. There exists the possibility that they tacitly approve of the game of 'knock out'. This is why they are perfect for the offices they occupy.

The nuts are running the asylum......
'Going round the bend' alert.
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Old 11-28-2013, 02:43 AM
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Correct. Perhaps you haven't had time to read my subsequent post where I totally agree with you 110%.

This. Z shot TM ONE TIME ONLY. OTH, Pharma man fired multiple guns multiple times into the perp. Z beat the rap while Pharma was sent to Cell Block #9. Had Pharma duplicated Z's methods and fired only one bullet into the perp, most likely Pharma would be back working at his pharmacy.

If working at a pharmacy and a group of thugs comes into the store to rob you, and you have decided to have a firearm in the store to protect yourself and your employes, best have only ONE gun with only ONE bullet in the clip. That way you won't "over react". The perp, OTH, isn't required to play by the same rules. I'm sure you understand.

It's a PC world nowadays. Best hop on the train.
No, I don't understand. What if you miss with your one bullet? What if there are several armed perps? You are really wrapped up in this stuff.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:26 PM
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Exactly right.
Really? One of the prime counter arguments to the "Game" says the exact opposite.

There are some media critics who claim videos of knockout violence could in fact help fuel incidents of the crime, but Butts refutes this: "The media are never responsible for how people behave, ..."


If you think the media is responsible then you agree that the "game" is real- if you think the media is not responsible then you disagree that the game is fake. Either way the "game" is real.
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Old 11-28-2013, 12:35 PM
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OK, I'll bite....Can you explain why race-based violence is, or should be treated differently than "ordinary" violence. If I have been shot/ mugged/ murdered, does it hurt less if the perps were the same race as me?
How many crimes are NOT "hate" related? Does it matter? Do we punish actions, or intents?
Because race based hate violence breeds more of the same- while non hate based race violence does not breed more violence. At least I think that's the reason for more punishment for race based violence in our society. No matter what my explanation of the laws- they are there. Raced based violence merits more punishment than non raced based violence according to our laws. MTI was making fun of the fact that others did not know this or appeared to disagree with this. Some bit and those that bit were liberals like him; Tom W and Spdrun. The wrong victim took the bait in his trap.
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Old 11-28-2013, 01:25 PM
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Really? One of the prime counter arguments to the "Game" says the exact opposite.

There are some media critics who claim videos of knockout violence could in fact help fuel incidents of the crime, but Butts refutes this: "The media are never responsible for how people behave, ..."


If you think the media is responsible then you agree that the "game" is real- if you think the media is not responsible then you disagree that the game is fake. Either way the "game" is real.
This makes no sense. I agree that it's happening, the video's are convincing and no doubt someone has heard of discussion of this in the grapevine.

Of course the media is not responsible for this, the question is would media reports of this or that leader denouncing it do any good. More likely IMO it would do the reverse.
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This makes no sense. I agree that it's happening, the video's are convincing and no doubt someone has heard of discussion of this in the grapevine.

Of course the media is not responsible for this,
the question is would media reports of this or that leader denouncing it do any good. More likely IMO it would do the reverse.
How does that jibe with this:

... they'll give the "game" more airplay, thus encouraging more idiots to "play." Sometimes, the less publicity this kind of nonsense is given, the better.



Exactly right.

Sounds like you are saying if the game gets more airplay more people play. But you say that's not the case. Which is it?
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