Nobody has quantified it yet nor do we know he will get it yet

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Oh, but they are. Money makes a 4 out of 10 up to a 9 depending on how desperate you are.

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God I hope I am not being crude. A kiss or the attempt to have one usually leads somewhere. Rejection is always a possibility but still part of life.

From what you have mentioned you may just have to tell her you are romantically interested in her. At that point she will define her interest if any. Beating around the bush too much may indicate too much indecision on your part.

Sometimes we overthink things as well. It is impossible to establish the level of chemistry between the two of you on the site. At her age she should be able to talk about anything. Can we be more than friends is a nice soft approach as well.

With my humourous approach to many things in life I would have a ball in a situation like that. I have absolutely no ideal if you will or will not get to rattle her bones.

Rejection is a possibility. However it is better than being strung along.

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About ten years ago I was on an outing with an old English gent and we got lost in rural England in his car, hungry tired and exhausted we chanced a pub in this unlikely, deserted area.....

They were open and served us food and drink.

Its name made us whoop with glee! (and we're both pretty much all British by ancestry)

"Old Rattlebones".

That was so quintessentially British, we thought!

\http://www.therattlebone.co.uk/





The Rattlebone is a beautiful 17th century village pub with roaring fires in the Winter, lots of nooks and crannies, wobbly tables, chairs and settles; and character oozing out of every crack in the walls. We even have a ghost, the 11th century Saxon warrior John Rattlebone!

Set in the picturesque village of Sherston, it is 10 minutes away from the historic towns of Malmesbury and Tetbury, close to Badminton, the Beaufort Polo Club and Westonbirt Arboretum, and is a gateway to the world famous Cotswolds.

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Wow, thanks for the replies, guys! I found all of them constructive and positive in their own ways. I'll need some time to take it all in and give a meaningful reply back. Just had a long day and my mind was a bit preoccupied with my new mountain bike fork that arrived today. Seems to be leaking a bit of oil and trying to find out the seriousness of it. The fork is air but the component that controls compression and lockout uses oil...but anyway, I was just as excited about reading the comments to my post. For some reason I can't help feeling a bit nervous about this upcoming dinner because now I feel like I've put pressure on myself to do something and make things happen.

Jim B. mentioned bringing a gift. I've never thought about doing that with her. I gave her a good-bye gift, but nothing that suggested romance Maybe I should. I better get to brainstorming because I only have a couple of days before we meet up. Flowers are out of the question, though I'd love to give them to her. They’re too...I dunno...suggestive. I like the idea of bringing a gift, but I don't know why I'm hesitant about doing it.

Regarding her status, she is not married, and I don't think she has ever married. I had thought about asking her if she's ever been married before on our last "date," but I wasn't sure if it was an appropriate question and so didn't bring it up. Would I be out of line for asking such a question? From what I can tell, she was single when we worked together and I'm sure she is still single now. In our conversations and e-mail correspondence, there's never been any mention of a man. All her friends seem to be female whenever a friend is mentioned. And yes, I’ve had my ears perked and my alpha male instincts kicked in whenever she mentioned a friend she visited or stayed with during a trip to the nether parts of California, wondering if it’s a male friend that may hint to me that she might have someone else in mind. No guy friends mentioned yet

I know her position at the org was very demanding, so I don't think it allowed her to have much of a social life. I think that's one reason she decided to retire early because she wanted to do and explore other things while she's still at the peak of her life. I don't think she has any kids only because she's never mentioned kids before, but then again I've never asked because I just don’t feel comfortable asking those questions primarily because I don't know how one goes about asking them without sounding too prying.

She and I are similar in many ways. For one she is a very private and reserve person, as am I. I bet many people from work don't know much about her personal life. She just doesn’t give much detail about her life to others from what I gather…and yet here she is going out with me, the very act itself is sharing a little bit about herself with me. Maybe I’m just reading too much into it.

It may seem all the signs are there for me to make my move, but I feel like this is new territory considering her age and life experience. A part of me is sort of waiting and wanting her to do something because, after all, she is (generally speaking) the proverbial older woman who knows what she wants. But what if she is old-fashioned and prefers that the guy make the first move? And what does this “make the first move” even mean anyway? Ah, it’s all back to high school! And speaking of which, one thing I find attractive about her is her sense of class and sophistication and yet there is this girlish charm about her. I like to think that maybe she has that butterfly feeling around me as I have when I’m around her.

I’ll get back to talk about some things people have mentioned, as it’s getting late and I my mind is fuzzy:

Age – that has never been an issue with me.

Money – retirement benefits? Hehe, nah… I don’t care for her money, and she’s not materialistic even though she made some serious bank.

Physical contact – she’s always offered a hug when we met and parted. I’m not much for initiating hugs, but maybe I should.

And aklims “he who hesitates…[well, you get the idea]”

What's your marital status/children/background?

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Don't be intimidated by her wealth, stature, and sophistication. from what you have now disclosed, it's a pretty safe bet she is available for dating. And actually it may be possible that with her retirement she has given you a window of opportunity to act.

i'd suspect also, that for all her redoubtable career experience and classy and sophisticated façade, at heart she is just like any other woman that in her heart would love a romantic relationship. And she may have an amazing dearth of experience in this area, especially with a nice guy.

But you will *have* to take the lead here - and do so with confidence, yet with kindness, humor, and gentleness, and above all sincerity.

It may take time, as her feelings of trust and safety build, but if things go well, you ought to up the ante. Another hug at the end, maybe at least squeeze her hand gently, (and if she squeezes back, you have it made!) or at least brush her cheek lightly with your fingers, as you smile and look into her eyes; when you are saying good bye/hugging or I think your lightly touching her jaw for a moment right where it ends below her ear is a very tender gesture, in my experience no woman recoils from that -- it is in its way innocent yet erotic also.

One thing important, by now you should have some idea of her interests, so BE SURE to end things by "closing the deal" by asking for a next date, at or near the end of THIS one.

You MUST do this - propose a SPECIFIC event, time and place, and then - ASK!
To seal the deal you have to ask for her phone number, for sure this time!

...Of course she might say no, give you the "friendship lecture" (all guys know what that is!) or say she has other plans ....at which time you can, you MUST, ask nicely if another time and place would work) and right then you'll know whether she is interested or it's time to cut your losses and move on or "just be friends".

This makes it easy for her.

Suggestions for a date could be so easy - a walk around the lake after a nice breakfast in a nice cafe, a visit to a new art exhibit at a museum, a trip to the zoo or an arboretum, a visit to a weekend flea market or an antique store, a bicycle dealer, or a nursery, you have tickets to a new play or a rep movie she might enjoy, ask her to go with you to help pick out a nice shirt or a sweater you could use, take a bicycle ride together, or a visit to the SPCA to check out puppies (don't buy one though!), or anything you think you guys would enjoy. When you talk to her, DO mention her name now and then; everyone loves to hear their own name!

Don't mention or hint around about sexual or physical stuff, it would be better instead to get and hold her attention on mutual interests and a shared event. Thar's an immediate need! The other will come naturally, I think, with this kind of gal.

And if she says YES! you are on the way..

BUT one more thing: You HAVE her phone number, so after a decent interval when you think she got home, DO_phone her up, and say you called to be sure she got home safe, and mention in passing the next date. (Keep it brief).

I'd say that is a MUST, (took me years to learn this) but it shows you are concerned about her welfare, AND looking forward to the next meetup.

I'd suggest one in a week, maybe two at the latest.

From what you said the time and stars are well aligned at this juncture. You've laid the groundwork over a period of years, and shown appropriate respect in all areas.

Time to move ahead! Don't overthink it though, Frosty. Be confident, friendly and relaxed.

Good luck.

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Mine is 10 years older as well. We've been married since 2009, and I feel the same about her...strong, brave, and greatest person with the biggest heart that I've ever known. We have yet to have a serious argument that lasted more than 15 minutes, as we both have the ability to see things from the other side.

Age should never be an issue...follow your head first, then your heart.

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Nobody is talking about getting strung along. This situation is a bit awkward because of the time spent without having expressed an interest beyond being friends. If anything he has been stringing her along.

I don't get the reluctance to express a sexual interest in a woman. Women love to hear that they are desirable and I think men owe it to women to offer themselves up. She might feel like getting a little before dinner and it's just downright rude to not offer yourself. Guys get the idea in their heads that women are not trying to get laid. Anywhere men are trying to get laid, women are trying to get laid too. We wouldn't have seven billion humans on earth if that were not true.

She might not be sexually active for any number of reasons but she probably is, offer. Be understanding, sexual dysfunction is everywhere these days. You might not be getting what you think you are getting but you should be willing to take what she has to offer and give what she is willing to have.

You might have missed the point about the married/engaged question. That is just a suggestive way to express interest.

Ask yourself if you really want this. You might just be feeling like a fool for not playing your part.

So, I just got finished reading your entire thread......and seems like I remember your post from 3 years ago. Here's one thread:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/open-discussion/285419-sending-someone-flowers-anonymously-so-good-idea.html
but I didn't find the thread/post you mentioned in that thread.

Anyway.....here's my background:
My 2nd wife was 16+ years my senior. We met at a mutual friend's picnic and by the end of the night.....well, let's just say it was the start of something very special for us.

My advice is:
Don't give the age difference any concern. If she's met you out in public before, obviously she is okay with it. Older women LOVE younger guys because younger guys can keep up with them. Older women usually find younger guys more attentive. Granted, there are exceptions, but older women who have been dating......like refreshing dates. Anyway, someone mentioned "go for it". I agree. You have to make the first move. By all means, I'd be holding her hand at the table before dinner arrived. If she's receptive, then I'd be giving her a small nudge with the top of my shoe against her leg while our hands were busy with forks/wind glasses. If she's receptive, then after walking out of the restaurant, I'd stop her mid stride and turn to her and look her in the eye and say: "I've been waiting for 3 years to kiss you" and if she doesn't balk at the idea, I'd plant the most passionate kiss on her that I could muster and hug her quite firmly. I'd then whisper in her ear. I need your phone number. If she whispers it back, you better REMEMBER it. Then give her another kiss and ask her if she wants to go have an after dinner drink, dessert, or does she have a better idea (and then wink at her). If she's had too much to drink, offer to take her home, and say you can bring her back to get her car in the morning.

BETTER yet, offer to PICK her up at her place BEFORE you go out to dinner.....this puts you at her place at the end of the evening. If she's got the hots for you, she should invite you inside.

Good Luck. Forgot about the bike and let us know what happens.....you can skip the details.

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I concur!!! There are a lot of sexually active 50+ year old women who want MORE than men want to give. Some are attractive hotties who are very approachable. A confident man who makes the first move just became very attractive to her.

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Germantown, TN

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Sold last car --- 05/2012 1984 300D Light Ivory, Red interior
No longer selling Cluster Needles Paint
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04/2010 1965 190D(c) "Ben"
& many more

My crudeness again. Candys dandy but liquor is quicker. It can be a great inhibition remover is well known. At least bring a decent bottle of wine.

Even just a couple of drinks can loosen things up. You may need it more than she does. It even gets you a little room. Excused because it must have been the drink. As an analogy you are playing baseball. You are striking out and trying to get to first base by acquiring balls. No pun intended. I did warn you it was my crudeness.

Here is another one. Liquor up front, poker in the rear. You do realize that alcohol makes it harder, actually softer, for a guy when it comes to rising to the occasion.

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