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Old 04-07-2014, 01:55 PM
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It appears so. If the political correctness and distaste for the second ammendment of the CIC gets in the way of common sense security, what else can you say?
I guess you could say that these policies have been around a lot longer than Obama...

But... that wouldn't fit your bash-o-bama motif....

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See TXJAKE's comment for perspective.
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Wow! I just remembered that I also carried a .45 and ammo when I performed Charge of Quarters(CQ) duty.

The last 45 days I was in the Army, I no longer went to the missile site. Every other night I did CQ duty from the end of the regular duty day, 5PM as I recall, until after formation the next morning, about 6:30AM or so. When I was headed for the orderly room for duty I stopped by and drew a .45 and ammo.

My job was to be there all night and basically keep the drunks from keeping the whole place awake. As a junior NCO with over two years in rank, they trusted me with a .45 and ammo on the post. Why can they not do this now?
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:03 PM
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See TXJAKE's comment for perspective.
yeah Larry... see TXJake's post....

What he describes dates back well before Obama.
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I guess you could say that these policies have been around a lot longer than Obama...

But... that wouldn't fit your bash-o-bama motif....

You need to go read all of what I and others wrote. Obama is the CIC. The policies for drawing weopons are available to the commanders but not used. Do you think that Obama is far enough up the chain of command to authorize them to take advantage? I kind of believe that he is.

I would refer to TxJake since his time in service is much more recent than mine.
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yeah Larry... see TXJake's post....

What he describes dates back well before Obama.

Yeah, then if Obama had enough balls to be a REAL CIC, he would step up to the plate and put some security in place. I carried a weopon on post in NIXON's time. Surely Obama considers himself more of a leader than Nixon.

How many of the previous President's faced serious on post shootings like the nut case doctor at Fort Hood.? If the current CIC would have put some security in place after that shooting, we may very well not have lost three of the Army's finest and injured 16 more last week. It's on his head. Of course he will very neatly lay the blame on someone else rather than taking the heat himself. For Truman "the buck stops here," for Obama "the buck gets deflected here."
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FWIW, I was in from '78 to 98. LOTS of changes during that time. One thing for certain is more and more control of day to day activities was taken from the commanders in the field and transferred to CYA blanket policies.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:06 PM
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You need to go read all of what I and others wrote. Obama is the CIC. The policies for drawing weopons are available to the commanders but not used. Do you think that Obama is far enough up the chain of command to authorize them to take advantage? I kind of believe that he is.

I would refer to TxJake since his time in service is much more recent than mine.
I took the initiative, and actually read the thread before receiving your instructions...

All I'm saying is your 'It's all Obama's fault' statement is way off the mark.
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FWIW, I was in from '78 to 98. LOTS of changes during that time. One thing for certain is more and more control of day to day activities was taken from the commanders in the field and transferred to CYA blanket policies.

There ya' go.

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I took the initiative, and actually read the thread before receiving your instructions...

All I'm saying is your 'It's all Obama's fault' statement is way off the mark.

I did not say it's all Obama's fault, but the writing was on the wall and he elected not to read it. Off the mark? Why didn't he put security in place after the crazy doctor shooting? He gets a pass on that one, but the one last week is on OBAMA's head. Clearly.

He had the opportunity to do something about it and elected not to. Gross negligence.
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:29 PM
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The CINC does not write DOD policy & regulations: HOWEVER, if one issued a command to the JCS to in fact "solve the problem" that would be a lawful order and one they would have to comply with to the satisfaction of Chairman JCS and ultimately the CINC. The military would do well IMHO, to wash itself free of the safety ninnies and the anti-military pseudo Generals that are in place, well before we have to fight a war with an enemy with conventional forces again. And, I think it may well be coming in the next few years. I love SPECOPS, was a proud but minor part of them, but they cannot alone win a war against tanks and battalions of troops. An military that operates on risk assessment & force protection cannot win against a determined enemy with conventional forces, unless we go tactical nuke within the first few days, then sue for peace. We have put ourselves in dire danger.
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Thanks for the perspective Tx. Obama had the opportunity to issue such an order after the nutcase doctor and chose not to do so. The deaths and injuries of last week are on his head. He proved himself to be one of the properly termed "safety ninnies."
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Old 04-07-2014, 02:34 PM
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I did not say it's all Obama's fault....
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So it's Obama's fault?
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It appears so.
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but the writing was on the wall and he elected not to read it. Off the mark? Why didn't he put security in place after the crazy doctor shooting? He gets a pass on that one, but the one last week is on OBAMA's head. Clearly.

He had the opportunity to do something about it and elected not to. Gross negligence.
So you apply all the blame of Obama...
Wouldn't decisions like you are describing be best if generated by Pentagon level officers? You know, someone who is actually military?
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You need to go read all of what I and others wrote. Obama is the CIC. The policies for drawing weopons are available to the commanders but not used. Do you think that Obama is far enough up the chain of command to authorize them to take advantage? I kind of believe that he is.

I would refer to TxJake since his time in service is much more recent than mine.
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Obama this, Obama that. You would think the guy is some kind of a super hero to Larry.


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