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Old 04-09-2014, 08:02 AM
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:35 AM
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Maybe they should prohibit all weapons, don't seem to be a right solution: Marine guard shot to death by colleague at NC base
please............
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:57 AM
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If billy Bob would have been yelling ala Akbar, yeah, I and anyone with common sense, would clearly recognize it as terrorism.

Since you've never been in the military, let me make something clear. When a superior officer ASKS you to do something rather than specifically says "that's an order," it is no less of an order. It is simply an order from an officer who chooses to issue the order politely.
The guy that nutted up the last time in Ft. Hood was crazy as bat shyte
.. I say Allaahu Akbar at least 5 times a day...trying to wrap my head around how this makes me connected to terrorism

Do you know what Allaahu Akbar means ?

Can't recall, but wasn't it discovered from the investigation that the first whacko had no ties to any terrorist group..and was in fact a lone wolf ?
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:01 PM
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.. I say Allaahu Akbar at least 5 times a day...trying to wrap my head around how this makes me connected to terrorism

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If you're chanting that phrase while murdering people then it becomes important.

It means "God is great" but you know that.
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:21 PM
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Waiting for the "Hitler" comment/ linkage. You know its coming......
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When I was in the Army in Germany for anyone living in the Barracks all privately owned Firearms were locked in the Arms Room and when you wanted to use it you had to file some forums to get it out.


Where I was the only Guards Armed where Arms Room and the Ammo Dump Guards (Ammo Dump was not in the same Facility).

I have seen Military Police who were Armed but We had none where I was Based.
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Old 04-09-2014, 08:40 PM
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On my ship we had a Barney Fife approach -- in port there was a sailor on the quarterdeck with a pistol but the mag was kept on the belt.

Sailors could have private firearms aboard for E-4 and above. I had a .22 High Standard auto. Each weapon was registered with the ship and locked up in an armory with the ammo stored separately.

Marines carried all kind of shyte from sidearms to mortars. They were locked-up, too. I think we locked the marines up separately, but that was understandable.

Bet rules ail have to change a bit when we get personal rail guns.
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Old 04-09-2014, 10:26 PM
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When I was in the Army in Germany for anyone living in the Barracks all privately owned Firearms were locked in the Arms Room and when you wanted to use it you had to file some forums to get it out.


Where I was the only Guards Armed where Arms Room and the Ammo Dump Guards (Ammo Dump was not in the same Facility).

I have seen Military Police who were Armed but We had none where I was Based.
So, now let me be sure I understand.... on a military base where people are trained to handle arms safely and to kill with them, people are not trusted to carry around arms but all kinds of folks demand the privaledge of carrying around weapons in the general public? ...with no training whatever required?

As Arlo Guthrie said "That's America!"
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It just goes to show that no matter how much training, discipline and security the State imposes, people will do what they will. It isn't external rules that prevent slaughter, it is internal.
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The guy that nutted up the last time in Ft. Hood was crazy as bat shyte
.. I say Allaahu Akbar at least 5 times a day...trying to wrap my head around how this makes me connected to terrorism

Do you know what Allaahu Akbar means ?

Can't recall, but wasn't it discovered from the investigation that the first whacko had no ties to any terrorist group..and was in fact a lone wolf ?
Hmmm...... well, do you KILL PEOPLE while yelling that? I strongly doubt it. Yelling it while you're murdering others or yourself is a dead giveaway.
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So, now let me be sure I understand.... on a military base where people are trained to handle arms safely and to kill with them, people are not trusted to carry around arms but all kinds of folks demand the privaledge of carrying around weapons in the general public? ...with no training whatever required?

As Arlo Guthrie said "That's America!"
That's not what diesel said. We were not allowed to carry our personal firearms. For certain duty, certain people carried weopons, sometimes even with a live magazine of live rounds in place, but no round in the chamber.

Like diesel said, if you had say a skeet gun, it was locked up and you checked it out when you went to the skeet range.
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Old 04-10-2014, 06:30 AM
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That's not what diesel said. We were not allowed to carry our personal firearms. For certain duty, certain people carried weopons, sometimes even with a live magazine of live rounds in place, but no round in the chamber.

Like diesel said, if you had say a skeet gun, it was locked up and you checked it out when you went to the skeet range.
Your statement supports my (partly whimsical) characterization of the situation, I believe.

I just did a search on the Islamic psychiatrist shooter and found this article about him:The Psychology of Hasan: The Ft. Hood Shooter | World of Psychology

...its an interesting read. I don't see it as supporting him as being connected with any larger terrorist group....unless you see being Islamic as automatically making you a terrorist.
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Your statement supports my (partly whimsical) characterization of the situation, I believe.

I just did a search on the Islamic psychiatrist shooter and found this article about him:The Psychology of Hasan: The Ft. Hood Shooter | World of Psychology

...its an interesting read. I don't see it as supporting him as being connected with any larger terrorist group....unless you see being Islamic as automatically making you a terrorist.

So it's not possible to be an Islam Terrorist without having proven connections to an Islamic Terrorist group? Yelling Ala Akbar while mowing down innocents is NOT an obvious indication?

Are you sure you're not buying in on this obvious denial because of your devotion to Obama?
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Hmmm...... well, do you KILL PEOPLE while yelling that? I strongly doubt it. Yelling it while you're murdering others or yourself is a dead giveaway.
Nope.

Hasan was convicted of murder and attempted murder.
Terrorism charges were not brought against him.

I think the terrorism thingy is media hyperbol.

Perhaps a dead give away in your mind Larry...but no conclusive facts to support your hypothesis.

Speculation is all.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:05 AM
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So it's not possible to be an Islam Terrorist without having proven connections to an Islamic Terrorist group? Yelling Ala Akbar while mowing down innocents is NOT an obvious indication?

Are you sure you're not buying in on this obvious denial because of your devotion to Obama?
Apparently there is a precise legal definition which he did not meet.
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Nope.

Hasan was convicted of murder and attempted murder.
Terrorism charges were not brought against him.

I think the terrorism thingy is media hyperbol.

Perhaps a dead give away in your mind Larry...but no conclusive facts to support your hypothesis.

Speculation is all.

So what kind of "facts" do you want? Only those who have a reason to be in denial over the issue believe it was not Islamic terrorist related. I'm not in denial. The fact that the crooked administration called it "workplace violence" is despicable.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

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