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Old 02-06-2015, 11:48 PM
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A locked door would be one of the most basic methods of deterrence. A vehicle left idling with the doors unlocked and no one around would certainly be an easy target for an opportunistic criminal but most vehicles out there are not 100% thieft proof. If criminal wants to steal a car then criminal will find a way to do that.

What makes me wonder is.. Why law makers feel necessity to impose penalty on someone for not taking maximum precaution in vehicular security.

It's not illegal to leave your house unlocked. It's not illegal to make your online passwords "123456".
Not yet!

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Old 02-07-2015, 10:02 AM
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A locked door would be one of the most basic methods of deterrence. A vehicle left idling with the doors unlocked and no one around would certainly be an easy target for an opportunistic criminal but most vehicles out there are not 100% thieft proof. If criminal wants to steal a car then criminal will find a way to do that.

What makes me wonder is.. Why law makers feel necessity to impose penalty on someone for not taking maximum precaution in vehicular security.
True but which is easier? For me to go to a neighborhood with 100 cars parked outside that aren't running vs 1 car that is running but locked? It takes me 5 seconds to smash the window, unlock the car and be off vs having to tow the dead weight away. To the sophisticated (rare) car thief who wants higher end cars for chop shops, everything is possible. To the idiot (plentiful) they go for the "low hanging fruit".

If you are honestly looking for an answer, here is one from several POVs. Tell me where YOU fit in.

Perp: Where would I go if I wanted to steal a car? Neighborhood with a bunch of unattended running cars or one few unattended cars? Where would me and my fellow perps want to go to?

Citizen: Why would I care if someone steals your car? Because it might make my neighborhood a "target rich" zone for other perps and when the soft targets are scarce, they move on to the harder ones like me. So I petition my lawmaker to do something.

Lawmaker: Why do I care? Because I want to appear to hear the concerns of the voters and feel their pain. ALSO, with the bill, I get to put pork in it and please my sponsors. At the end of it, the voters will love me and give me another multi year contract and the cycle continues.
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I think this is it

SECTION 56-5-2570. Parking of unattended motor vehicle.

No person driving or in charge of a motor vehicle shall permit it to stand unattended without first stopping the engine, locking the ignition, removing the key and effectively setting the brake thereon and, when standing upon any grade, turning the front wheels to the curb or side of the highway.
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What if it doesn't have a parking brake (like a motorcycle)? What if it doesn't have a locking ignition (like most military vehicles)? What if it's a Model T?

Illegal in Nevada too. Who knew?

NRS 484B.530  Unattended motor vehicle: Stopping engine, locking ignition and removing key.  The person driving or in charge of any motor vehicle, except a commercial vehicle loading or unloading goods shall not permit it to stand unattended without first stopping the engine, locking the ignition and removing the key.

(Added to NRS by 1969, 1502)—(Substituted in revision for NRS 484.445)
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:43 PM
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I think the tin foil had crowd is going way overboard per the title of the link. Securing the car is hardly a violation of ones civil rights.
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The criminalizing of America!
So many laws at the federal, state & local level that nearly everyone is now guilty of some crime.
I have an '87 Isuzu pickup where the ignition lock is so worn that I can start it, remove the key and lock it while it warms up. Also, there are accessory devices that allow remote starting a locked vehicle without the key. I guess all that is now illegal too!

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The criminalizing of America!
So many laws at the federal, state & local level that nearly everyone is now guilty of some crime.
Most of those laws are old, from the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
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Warming up your car is a crime now
Good. Hearing and smelling the neighbor's "bro truck" idle every morning for half an hour because the temp dipped into the 50s annoyed me and everyone else living on my street to no end. I finally called the county and cops had a long chat with him one morning after finding the truck idling unattended. Idling your vehicle for no reason is illegal and stupid. I wish there was more enforcement of this law. Its universal in most states.
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Good. Hearing and smelling the neighbor's "bro truck" idle every morning for half an hour because the temp dipped into the 50s annoyed me and everyone else living on my street to no end. I finally called the county and cops had a long chat with him one morning after finding the truck idling unattended. Idling your vehicle for no reason is illegal and stupid. I wish there was more enforcement of this law. Its universal in most states.
How do you hear and smell it? I can't hear my neighbor's anything running unless it is the snowblower and he is in front of my house. When I idled my truck to get it burped, I couldn't smell anything inside the house. I could hear it of course but at a very low level and it is outside the kitchen window about 30 feet away from where I am sitting.
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How do you hear and smell it? I can't hear my neighbor's anything running unless it is the snowblower and he is in front of my house. When I idled my truck to get it burped, I couldn't smell anything inside the house. I could hear it of course but at a very low level and it is outside the kitchen window about 30 feet away from where I am sitting.
Depends on the nature of the neighborhood.

I had complaints about warming up my 240 for two minutes with me sitting inside from my neighbor during the winter. She complained about smell and noise too.

For my 240 with a full exhaust i thought that was pretty unfair, but a full size brodozer i can see being a real pain in the rear. Have a customer who comes into my part time job in a mid 90s cummins jacked up with huge pipes. You can hear that truck idles from a block away
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I had complaints about warming up my 240 for two minutes with me sitting inside from my neighbor during the winter. She complained about smell and noise too.

For my 240 with a full exhaust i thought that was pretty unfair, but a full size brodozer i can see being a real pain in the rear. Have a customer who comes into my part time job in a mid 90s cummins jacked up with huge pipes. You can hear that truck idles from a block away
Is she a dog? They can hear and smell these things. I didn't think anyone human could unless you are doing it in front of her air vents.

OTOH, maybe she has some sort of house that isn't insulated since I can't hear my neighbor's truck warming up unless I am outside. His truck has straight pipes because he is too cheap to buy a muffler to replace the rotten one.

PS, maybe you can keep her happy by slipping her the high hard one?
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Is she a dog? They can hear and smell these things. I didn't think anyone human could unless you are doing it in front of her air vents.

OTOH, maybe she has some sort of house that isn't insulated since I can't hear my neighbor's truck warming up unless I am outside. His truck has straight pipes because he is too cheap to buy a muffler to replace the rotten one.

PS, maybe you can keep her happy by slipping her the high hard one?
Possibly, hell if i know how she can pick up diesel exhaust in her apartment, but some people are more sensitive in those departments than others.

I had a coworker who could tell if i worked on my diesels several days after i had done so. She could smell the diesel on me, when i and my wife could not, and after several showers. Always amazed me, she was never wrong.

If i worked on a fuel system friday or saturday, when i ran into this woman on tuesday she would ask if i was tinkering.
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Panic over this law reminds me when I was on an electric car message board. Someone was stringing an extension cord across a city sidewalk to charge their car. They were ticketed multiple times for causing a trip hazard. Their reply was that the city was anti electric car ( this was in So Cal mind you ) and they were having their civil rights violated.

Now I'm sure that any reasonable person reading this can see it wasn't an electric car issue and that it was a hazard issue.

Same goes for the don't leave your car running and unlocked law. By requiring locked cars, the police workload is reduced. After all, if your unlocked running car was stolen, would you call the police or just go and buy another car?

And, . . There is a law called "creating a attractive nuisance" where _YOU_ will be held liable if someone takes your car and ends up killing themselves or someone else. How does the foil hat crowd respond to this? Remember, the same laws apply to firearms as a running car. Would you be OK with someone that leaves a firearm out in the open unsecured?
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Old 02-07-2015, 11:20 AM
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Their reply was that the city was anti electric car ( this was in So Cal mind you ) and they were having their civil rights violated.

Same goes for the don't leave your car running and unlocked law. By requiring locked cars, the police workload is reduced. After all, if your unlocked running car was stolen, would you call the police or just go and buy another car?

And, . . There is a law called "creating a attractive nuisance" where _YOU_ will be held liable if someone takes your car and ends up killing themselves or someone else. How does the foil hat crowd respond to this? Remember, the same laws apply to firearms as a running car. Would you be OK with someone that leaves a firearm out in the open unsecured?
Well, it's like I was reading someone say "It's a fair cop, guv but the society's to blame.".

Here is the question. So what if it is unlocked? I takes me 5 seconds more to break your window, open the door and dive off. I'd be wearing winter clothing since it is already cold and the glass won't bother me nor would the chilly air do much considering my winter clothes and adrenaline going. Much harder if the keys are out of the ignition and inside, unlike the movies. Which is the lower hanging fruit? Not only filing a police report. They have a larger issue to deal with when the problem comes along that the car is found and being driven.
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Here is the question. So what if it is unlocked?


I takes me 5 seconds more to break your window, open the door and dive off.

In breaking the window, attractive nuisance law no longer applies, it is now breaking and entering.

Having the door locked eliminates the casual joy rider,. . hey, there is a running car with the door unlocked. . .
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