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Old 06-15-2015, 10:27 AM
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Maserati.

I'll elaborate more later, but to pull the radiator, you've got to disassemble the front of the car.
how about the maserati water pumps, that is the worst collosal design failure I can imagine - I did not wrench on it, but just looking at the execution of how the pump is driven makes you think that cocaine was being snorted on the design board.
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Old 06-15-2015, 12:18 PM
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The Merak and the SM are not b ad, but the real issue is weak fasteners that rust and break
No issues with fasteners on the one I'm playing with - the whole car is just a PITA. Everything is sharp! When they cast the parts, they never took a anything to the sharp edges left over from the process used to cast parts. Edge of the block? Sharp! Sides on the intake manifold? Sharp! Random part of alternator? Sharp! My hands/arms didn't take this much of a beating doing an M103 swap, nor did they take this much of a beating working on an LS1 or on my Miata! Don't get me started on the lack of space either. There's always barely enough space to work on stuff. Need to remove power steering lines? Pull the bumper! Need to pull the radiator? Pull the bumper! Need to replace the serpentine belt? Pull the intake manifold. Complete PITA.

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how about the maserati water pumps, that is the worst collosal design failure I can imagine - I did not wrench on it, but just looking at the execution of how the pump is driven makes you think that cocaine was being snorted on the design board.
And that's why they dropped the F136R from Maserati, and went to an F136U/Y engine - people weren't happy with having to get a new engine at about 50k miles! Interestingly enough though - the F430/458/California shared the F136, but were an F136 E/I/F. They seem to have a lower occurence of water/oil pump failure, though it might be the more stringent service intervals Ferrari calls for...

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Old 06-14-2015, 10:23 AM
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Worst one I've worked on is this 2004 explorer. However a lot of that is due to neglected maintenance over the years and not necessarily the model or engineering. Currently sitting next to its engine, STILL trying to get the harmonic balancer off. Blowtorch and puller #2 today.


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Old 06-14-2015, 01:39 PM
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What to you has been the worst car to work on?

I feel like the 190E 2.6 is a PITA but my mom's 1996 Grand Marquis is far worse. Tried replacing a valve cover gasket today and once again ran into Ford's brilliant engineering, aka somehow making a 4.6L small block V8 engine hard to work on in a massive engine bay. The front of the engine is super easy to work on, unlike the 190E 2.6 but the sides and back are terrible. The catalytic converters also aren't the most fun things in the world. Problem is, most of the problems we've had the with car have been located on sides or rear of the engine bay (like the $230 blower motor resistor that we've had to replace 3 times).

We were finally able to get the valve cover out (took 30 minutes to get the back bolt out) cleaned it up, tried to clean up as much of the mating surface, put RTV where needed, then reinstalled it (also a PITFA) and it leaked like a sieve at the back bolt that is nearly impossible to get to and completely impossible to use a torque wrench on. Might be that you are supposed to pull the engine in order to do it properly.
The 5.4 is even harder to get to all of that and I had no issue. Removed with air ratchet, started by hand with a deep socket on a short extension and finished with a 1/4" torque wrench.
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Old 06-14-2015, 06:56 PM
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The 5.4 is even harder to get to all of that and I had no issue. Removed with air ratchet, started by hand with a deep socket on a short extension and finished with a 1/4" torque wrench.
Problem with the 4.6 in the 96 grand marquis is that the valve cover sits about 3/4 of an inch from the airbox that feeds into the cabin. I was finally able to get a short 8mm wrench in there to do it but it took forever because there wasn't much swing and the bolts are very long.
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Old 06-14-2015, 01:45 PM
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They all suck. Every model has something different that is a total pain in the ass to do. The ford 5.4 is a royal pita to get the power steering pump off. The valve covers are a pain, but doable. It helps having all of the different combinations of swivel head ratchets, short sockets, deep sockets, all different extensions, short wrenches, long wrenches, ratcheting wrenches.


To my surprise, the easiest car I have worked on lately has been an 08 bmw 325i iirc. Spark plugs were a 45 ordeal and a pleasure to do.
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Pontiac Fiero with the V6. Most of them (that are still around) probably have the original plugs on the firewall side. You just about need to remove the engine to work on it at all.
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Old 06-14-2015, 04:50 PM
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Pontiac Fiero with the V6. Most of them (that are still around) probably have the original plugs on the firewall side. You just about need to remove the engine to work on it at all.
Sounds like a challenge
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the Peugot 505(?) not sure of the number. It was a wagon and parts were a real problem to get hold of. I once opened up what I thought was a fuse box and found a tangle of small gauge wires. I looked at that and said "I've gotta get rid of this car while it still runs!" I did a little fixing up of it, mostly cosmetic and sold it on a 95 degree day....(the air conditioning was impressively good)! I think I got my money back and a little profit.
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the Peugot 505(?) not sure of the number. It was a wagon and parts were a real problem to get hold of. I once opened up what I thought was a fuse box and found a tangle of small gauge wires. I looked at that and said "I've gotta get rid of this car while it still runs!" I did a little fixing up of it, mostly cosmetic and sold it on a 95 degree day....(the air conditioning was impressively good)! I think I got my money back and a little profit.
My family swore by Peugot's. I swear at them. As someone who grew up in South Africa where they were quite common and we had many - I have to ask...
Why in tarnation would anybody living in the Unites States of America, ever own a French car?

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Old 06-15-2015, 05:14 AM
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My family swore by Peugot's. I swear at them. As someone who grew up in South Africa where they were quite common and we had many - I have to ask...
Why in tarnation would anybody living in the Unites States of America, ever own a French car?

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I don't know. I've become a fan of German cars and Japanese bikes. If I ever get rich I might go for Italian cars (Ferrari) and German bikes (BMW).
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Old 06-15-2015, 06:54 AM
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My family swore by Peugot's. I swear at them. As someone who grew up in South Africa where they were quite common and we had many - I have to ask...
Why in tarnation would anybody living in the Unites States of America, ever own a French car?

- Peter.
My dad used to talk about how the peugots were about all they used in Aftica, they were tough, etc. I drove this one and was enchanted by its compliant ride and perfect steering. I was also taken by the large cargo area and the live rear axle....like a pickup truck.

But I only owned it about a month or two. Probably the least I ever owned a car.
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Old 06-14-2015, 11:20 PM
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My dad told me that Citroens were the absolute worse. I've not experienced it but he did. His best friend had one.
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My dad told me that Citroens were the absolute worse. I've not experienced it but he did. His best friend had one.
Not an expert on French cars, but had to work on a few. As mentioned by T. Walgamuth - sourcing parts can be fun.

The Spanish must love them. Last time I was there French cars were everywhere to be seen. Likely easier to deal with over there.
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