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Old 08-31-2019, 08:40 PM
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“That only works in a non flow situation.”

Think it through and tell me why flow doesn’t affect the observed measurement. Before you snap another answer, consider that the nipple is orthogonal to the gutter.
I dunno - Bernoulli?

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Old 08-31-2019, 08:54 PM
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Are we trying to sense instantaneous or max flow?
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Old 08-31-2019, 08:57 PM
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either way, put a flapper or float device in the channel and have the other end indicate on a scale. (like your speedometer) If it is max you want have it ratchet. Or go electric monitoring and have continuous data.
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Old 08-31-2019, 11:03 PM
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I dunno - Bernoulli?

You're right. You don't know. Hint: if his description is accurate, it's an open channel of constant cross section, therefore constant flow speed and constant static pressure. Which has nothing to do with your drawing or Bernoulli's principle.

A port placed orthogonally to the gutter won't be exposed to dynamic pressure, the only force it will "see" is atmospheric pressure, plus the weight of the water column directly above the port. Regardless of flow rate. He could attach a tube between the test port and the bottom of a glass burette and he would have a real-time indication of level.

Flow would only matter if the test port was oriented directly into the flow vector. If you did that, the total pressure would be the sum of static pressure plus dynamic pressure (flow). Try this picture. The only difference is that the flow path is an enclosed tube, not an open channel:
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:34 AM
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That pic is incorrect. The pressure is going to be higher on the downstream, reduced dia side.
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Old 09-01-2019, 09:12 AM
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I worked on a small automated sewage treatment plant. After treatment, solids were seperated, dried (relatively), & liquid went through a 'vertical' venturi. Vacuum (after initial calibration) was used to measure volume flowing to holding tank.
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Here's one that measures 0.5 to 5 gallons/minute:

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No pressure gauges needed, just an eyeball or two.
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That pic is incorrect. The pressure is going to be higher on the downstream, reduced dia side.

Are you talking about the Bernoulli diagram? It's correct, but not applicable. In a closed system with incompressible fluid, the pressure will be lower and the flow velocity higher where the path is constricted.

If you're talking about the static pressure diagram that I posted, static pressure will be constant along the entire run because the flow path has uniform cross section.
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First post said how much water. Another said depth.
Which is it?
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Old 09-03-2019, 06:54 PM
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Old 09-04-2019, 08:49 AM
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What about something like tempera paint? That stuff is water-soluble and dries to a "chalky" finish. I'd imagine if diluted with water before being applied you could make a very thin layer that would do more or less what you want.

One critical piece of information missing here: How long is the water running in the trough? Is it a few seconds, several minutes, or over a period of hours?
Tempera paint dries and doesn't get washed off.

I can choose how long the water is running. I can run it for 15 seconds or 15 hours if I wish.
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Are we trying to sense instantaneous or max flow?
I want to know the depth of the water exiting the gutter.

Installing a flapper or other metering device wouldn't give me a measurement I wanted and would interfere with the airflow.
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First post said how much water. Another said depth.
Which is it?
Both. The amount of water can be measured by the depth exiting the gutter.

As stated elsewhere, I can't accurately collect the water from a specific gutter and calculate the depth.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:33 PM
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Can you see it? mark the side and look at the level. How much flow are we looking at?

how big is this, what sort of depth?
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:35 PM
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I want to know the depth of the water exiting the gutter.

Installing a flapper or other metering device wouldn't give me a measurement I wanted and would interfere with the airflow.
Is the flow relatively constant? I could re ask the same questions you didn't answer ....
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