Guys,

I've had the car for close to two years now and it has never felt quite "right" on the interstate. The car has a tendency to do what I would describe as "turning in" with steering inputs.

When the wheel is turned, there is an initial response followed by a markedly sharper directional change a few ms later when the weight of the car shifts. This despite holding the wheel steady. Sometimes the effect is pronounced enough that I have to actually release some pressure on the wheel to hold the line.

On long sweeping turns at higher speeds, the car actually wallows around the turn as if it were at the point of losing tire grip when in reality, it is far below that threshold. It inspires no confidence which is a shame for a car of this level of refinement. My old Ford Ranger pickup actually felt better on turns and could hold a line much more comfortably.

So, here is what I have so far:

Tires are new.
Shocks are new Bielstein Sports.
Tire pressure is within spec.

I've searched and read about other's experiences here and this is what I'm investigating:

Control arms/bushings.
4 wheel alignment.
Worn tie rod ends/ball joints.

Any other areas I should be looking at? Are there any alignment specs that could be modified to reduce this turn-in tendency? More toe out?

Thanks for your ideas.

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-Evan


Benz Fleet:
1968 UNIMOG 404.114
1998 E300
2008 E63


Non-Benz Fleet:
1992 Aerostar
1993 MR2
2000 F250

I've never had the pleasure of riding or driving a w210, but what you're explaining doesn't sound right. You definitely need to check all the suspension components and make sure nothing is worn or broken; though I'd think you'd hear and physically feel broken or worn ball joints, tie-rods, control-arms, bushgings, etc.

I can say that my w123 may wallow in sweepers, a little bit, but once the suspension is "seated", it'll carve through the turn with confidence. A w210 shouldn't have any of that going on...

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1982 240 D, 308,000 - 321,127 miles (sold)
1982 300 TD,166,500 - 226,000 miles
1998 E 320, 120,000 - 144,000 miles
2005 C 230 K, 26,000 - 77,000 miles (sold)

I would do the alignment first; this should include a look at the front end pieces...

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Phil

Prior cars:
1971 250
1983 380SEL
1986 190E2.3
1987 300TD
1994 SL500
2001 E320 4Matic
2003 SL500

I just got back from the mall driving the '06 Golf and it's rock solid compared to the E300's "dancing" ways... Of course, it has 1/3 the miles but still... Even my beat up Corvette is more stable.

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-Evan


Benz Fleet:
1968 UNIMOG 404.114
1998 E300
2008 E63


Non-Benz Fleet:
1992 Aerostar
1993 MR2
2000 F250

Have you checked your Stabilizer/Sway Bar Link bushing, also you might as well invest in some wider tires...

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Current Garage
2008 Mercedes GL320 CDI 188k mi Repair/Work in progress
1994 S350 160k mi Garage Queen & prepping for repairs
2005 E320 CDI 203k mi Healthy & Daily Driver
1994 S350 357k mi Retried as parts car
1984 300TD 214k mi Blown OM617 Poss OM603 Swap??

Sold
1987 300SDL 200K+
1994 S320 181K mi
2008 E320 Bluetec 127k mi
1999 S420 130K mi
1980 240D 360k mi
15+ Others that has come, stay and gone

GONE, BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
1995 E320 SE 220k mi
1984 300SD 350k mi

I'll check those when I get into it. I already have pretty wide tires - 225/55/16. It's not a tire adhesion problem. All of the instability happens at reasonable speeds.

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-Evan


Benz Fleet:
1968 UNIMOG 404.114
1998 E300
2008 E63


Non-Benz Fleet:
1992 Aerostar
1993 MR2
2000 F250

I too suffer from these issues. I dont know if I would explain it the same way but I think we speak of similiar problems. When I drive on the interstate it seems like the car is all over the place. This isnt a small issue as I have never experienced it in another car. Not even my first car (1969 vw bus). What is the deal. New tires don't help. I have made sure of everything in my frontbeing tight. I do notice a noise in the frint end that sounds like something is loose. Do you notice this also? It is almost like a rattling noise when I hit bumps on the interstate or the normal (40 mph) road. Maybe if we work together we can find a solution.

Good Luck

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1998 E320 150,000
1980 300SD 240,000
1965 190D 79,000

I would surmise it needing new ball joints. How many miles are on your car's?

spring perch?

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1982 240 D, 308,000 - 321,127 miles (sold)
1982 300 TD,166,500 - 226,000 miles
1998 E 320, 120,000 - 144,000 miles
2005 C 230 K, 26,000 - 77,000 miles (sold)

This was a common complaint on the earliest 210s. On the other hand, this might also be caused by perished rubber bushings in the rear control arms, not exactly unheard of.

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Roger E.

Rack and pinion steering has two primary advantages, both fall to the manufacturer - it's cheap, and you get to sell lots of replacement units.

I think the 210 was Mb's first R&P car and was not without fault but that was taken care of later. It's called the customer financed test program.

As far as condemning rack and pinion steering, you are off base. I think most cars (maybe all) these days have R&P steering and they are quite reliable. Plenty of MB recirculating ball boxes have failed and how many posts have we seen about loose steering which was likely an adjustment problem. I have owned two R&P MBs now and find the steering to be superior in feel to all the old MB recirculating ball MBs I've owned.

And there is another little German car builder across town from MB that went to R&P steering 45 years ago and it seems to have worked out quite well.

Porsche.

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Roger E.

140k here. Ball joints? I would think there would be some slop while I inspected them. Maybe I am checking the ball joints wrong. How do you suggest inspecting the ball joints? I have gone under my car to find this problem so many times but have never seen anything that needs to be replaced. Thanks for the help. I dont mean to steal the this thread but I think the owner of the thread and I have the same problem.

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1998 E320 150,000
1980 300SD 240,000
1965 190D 79,000

I've got the same wandering, skittish feeling when driving on grooved concrete pavement or setting the car into a turn at freeway speeds. Cross winds aren't pleasant either. I go back and forth with whether or not it originates from front or rear.....

At 180-190k I did shocks, sway bar links and bushings which helped a bit. At~200k I had inner tie rods with slop replaced and shortly afterwards did the LCA bushings. Am at 262 now and is def not geting better.

I have no lateral clicking movement in my ball joints but do have some vertical play so I guess they are next.

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Terry Allison
N. Calif. & Boca Chica, Panama

09' E320 Bluetec 77k (USA)
09' Hyundai Santa Fe Diesel 48k (S.A.)

Thanks. I'll be visiting all these areas in the near future. I've been reading quite a bit on alignments and apparently, more positive caster will improve this tendency we're experiencing. In other words, reduce the tendency to wander...

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-Evan


Benz Fleet:
1968 UNIMOG 404.114
1998 E300
2008 E63


Non-Benz Fleet:
1992 Aerostar
1993 MR2
2000 F250