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Old 08-31-2010, 04:41 PM
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Look in the side of one when it is operating you will see sparks coming from the brushes. They are probably the least safe thing to use, even cordless drills produce sparks....
Agree completely unclear wording on my part . I've used a drill in the dark, bit of a show. If you work one hard, you can smoke sawdust on the armature.

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Old 08-31-2010, 08:10 PM
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I'm really sick of statements containing "probably" or "I think" in threads about biodiesel production.
It's chemistry. Chemistry is science. It is not subjective or open to interpretation.

Also, all the FUD about blowing up your house is ridiculous. People have gasoline-fueled cars in their garages and highly-caustic drain cleaner under their sinks, and nobody freaks out about that. Everything is dangerous; that's why we have precautions and procedures for doing the most dangerous of the things we do.

Tl;dr - not knowing is not the same as knowing not, and fear is not the same thing as caution.

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Biodiesel tank explosion sparks alley fire
http://tacoma.komonews.com/content/biodiesel-tank-explosion-sparks-alley-fire

Tacoma garages go up in flames KING5.com Seattle Area Local News2.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxozhdqJlQ

Fire puts biodiesel under scrutiny
State officials look at classifying fuel as hazardous material
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=115223036291292200

Major Fire Erupts at Biodiesel Manufacturing Site
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june242006/biodiesel_fire_62406.php

3 hurt in fire at Sparks biodiesel fuel plant
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jul/30/3-hurt-in-fire-at-sparks-biodiesel-fuel-plant/

Fire Erupts At Biodiesel Plant
Homes Located Near Osceola County Plant
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21104858/detail.html

Explosion and fire destroys Idaho biodiesel plant, one dead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x59576

Fuel from cooking oil is starting backyard fires
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30353276/

Home-brew biodiesel poses fire hazards, officials calling for regulation
http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100425/GJNEWS02/304259998/-1/CITNEWS

Biodiesel setup, garage, shed destroyed in fire in South Berwick
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100225/GJNEWS_01/702259726/-1/FOSNEWS

Biodiesel Fuel Fire Causes Evacuation of Building
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/3270457

Fire destroys Kerhonkson house
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2009/11/21/blotter/doc4b0776e5a94f4233019713.txt

Considering making biodiesel at home?
http://www.southboroughfire.org/biodiesel.htm

Chinese takeaway biodiesel man in garage explosion horror
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/28/takeaway_biodiesel_fireball_horror/
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Biodiesel tank explosion sparks alley fire
http://tacoma.komonews.com/content/biodiesel-tank-explosion-sparks-alley-fire

Tacoma garages go up in flames KING5.com Seattle Area Local News2.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtxozhdqJlQ

Fire puts biodiesel under scrutiny
State officials look at classifying fuel as hazardous material
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=115223036291292200

Major Fire Erupts at Biodiesel Manufacturing Site
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june242006/biodiesel_fire_62406.php

3 hurt in fire at Sparks biodiesel fuel plant
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jul/30/3-hurt-in-fire-at-sparks-biodiesel-fuel-plant/

Fire Erupts At Biodiesel Plant
Homes Located Near Osceola County Plant
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21104858/detail.html

Explosion and fire destroys Idaho biodiesel plant, one dead
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x59576

Fuel from cooking oil is starting backyard fires
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30353276/

Home-brew biodiesel poses fire hazards, officials calling for regulation
http://www.citizen.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100425/GJNEWS02/304259998/-1/CITNEWS

Biodiesel setup, garage, shed destroyed in fire in South Berwick
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100225/GJNEWS_01/702259726/-1/FOSNEWS

Biodiesel Fuel Fire Causes Evacuation of Building
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/3270457

Fire destroys Kerhonkson house
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2009/11/21/blotter/doc4b0776e5a94f4233019713.txt

Considering making biodiesel at home?
http://www.southboroughfire.org/biodiesel.htm

Chinese takeaway biodiesel man in garage explosion horror
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/28/takeaway_biodiesel_fireball_horror/

The one and the ONLY link provided with an actual careless home biodiesel maker being the cause of the fire is the very last one. If you actually read them all, you will see none were caused by some careless home brewer.
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:41 AM
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I hang my head in shame, but I nearly burned my garage down last week due to an overheated bio processor. I've made thousands of gallons of bio and thougt I was past the point of such careless mistakes. Wrong. Darned near had a tradgedy due to a simple oversight. My processor is 100% homemade and lacks some of the safety features of processors on the market. In a nutshell, I had switched some electrical connections when changing a motor and wired around a kill switch (temporarily). When I left the garage and shut the system down, everything turned off except the heat, which I had forgotten to reconnect to kill switch. I'm still reeling from the 'what if' of this event.
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Why bother with the Bio D route, there are so many complications. Just convert the vehicle with a well designed system like the Frybrid kit and be done with it.
And WVO's engine killing problem isn't worse?
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Old 09-01-2010, 09:59 AM
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And WVO's engine killing problem isn't worse?
617 can't kiss you goodnight.
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Old 09-01-2010, 01:30 PM
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We are all human beings, right? Human beings make mistakes. I know someone who was making BioD in his garage, he had a pile of cleanup rags in a bucket in the corner of the garage. The rags caught fire from spontaneous combustion and burnt down the garage and all his processing materials. The local Fire Dept will not let him make BioD any longer.

I have even made the mistake of leaving my dewatering heater on overnight. Came out into the yard and smelled what smelled like a deep fat fryer. Realized it was my processing system ran to the shop and sure enought I had left the heater on all night and the oil was roiling in the 55 gal. drum and all over the floor of the shop. Thank goodness I had lots of sawdust to throw on it to sop it up. I then put the WVO/sawdust mix into empty cardboard milk cartons. I use them in the wood stove in the winter, they burn for 2 hours.

People make mistakes, I would just rather not have the methanol and lye as the mistakes, I can handle WVO.

I have 40,000mi on WVO and I love it, it has sometimes been a challenge but what is life with out challenges?

During that 40k miles I have had 2 jobs where my employer paid mileage and on WVO that was just fine with me.

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