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Old 02-13-2005, 08:32 PM
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Bill,

Just a question on the epoxy or the contact cement:

Would the heat generated by the inside of the vehicle (maybe 120°F.?) be sufficient to lift the epoxy or the contact cement? Seems like they both would hold at this temp.

With regard to the polyurethane, my personal opinion is that it will be still holding as tightly as ever even if the wood were to catch fire.
It's really amazing stuff, but, you pay for it.
Brian, I think 120 would release the epoxy,but it would require prying to get it to actually lift or if someone would bump the veneer it might slide out of position. But the contact cement would probably hold up fine and go on thin enough. Contact cement appears to be the original factory choice. I looked at mine today and thats what it appears to be.

Is the urethane glue thin as well? And yeah, you do pay for it as that is one of the reasons why I have never used it. Plus the fact that my methods that I've used for years work just fine--not that I'm closing my mind to new methods!!

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PS--Brian, I did take your suggestion so far as Maytag stoves go and bought the GE!! Thanks....Mama is very happy and you know what that means--everybody's happy.....

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Old 02-14-2005, 05:43 AM
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The Zebrani is glued & clamped

Now I wait for it to set. I will report back later on how effective it is. I do not wish to release the clamps before allowing some "cure time".
It is clamped between 4 pieces of steel angle (Dexion slotted steel) and has 2 G and 2 F clamps holding it.
I think that it should be good and flat.
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Old 02-14-2005, 08:20 AM
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Talking Success

OK, 6 hours glued and clamped.
I removed the clamps and steel angle - was some adhesion, but tissue paper came apart easily.
I removed the tissue paper from the aluminum backing and the masking tape from the front surface. The "curl" has been removed, the Zebrano is "almost flat", and has stuck well.
From the photo, there is approx 1mm mismatch in alignment. The control knob "cups?" sit in the holes without being forced in.
I will clean the Zebrano and install the trim later tonight.
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Old 02-14-2005, 08:39 AM
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Done

Well, the Zebrano trim is refitted. I checked the lamps in the controls to ensure that they light up. Checked the backlighting of the control "cups" and everything is in good order.

Thanks to everyone who posted advice.
The soaking in water, which caused the veneer to lift from the backing, DID help me! It allowed me to apply the Urethane adhesive evenly to the aluminum backing plate. With a partial attachment, I possibly would have had accurate registration of the pieces, but the still attached piece would have been suspect and may have lifted at a later date.

I am confident that this repair is permanent.

Well Done Team.
ps, Looks like I need to clean the other trim pieces too
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:07 AM
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Great Tony---Let us know if the glue lets go at any point. Looks like a good job to me!! Just goes to show you that you can teach an old dog new tricks.

I will try some of that urethane glue myself one of these days.....

Cheers,

Bill
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Old 02-14-2005, 01:15 PM
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Bill, that glue is never going to let go.

It will still be holding long after the vehicle is retired.
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Old 02-15-2005, 06:56 AM
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Bill, that glue is never going to let go.

It will still be holding long after the vehicle is retired.
Can I hold you to that Brian.
If it lets go, will you come up with a replacement piece for me?
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Can I hold you to that Brian.
If it lets go, will you come up with a replacement piece for me?
Tony
You got it.

As long as I can come down and install it.
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Old 02-15-2005, 02:59 PM
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I bought a bottle of the Elmers version of that glue and used it to glue the veneer on my glovebox trim. It was detached over 90% of the aluminum backing. The 3M trim adhesive wouldn't hold it so I cleaned it up as much as I could and I wet it a couple of times before applying the polyurethane glue. I clamped it and will look at it tonight.
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Old 02-15-2005, 05:11 PM
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I used gorrilla glue on a small table for the kids train set- it does expand alot, but trims easily. The wood will break before the glue releases, That stuff is very strong.
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Old 02-15-2005, 05:19 PM
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I used gorrilla glue on a small table for the kids train set- it does expand alot, but trims easily. The wood will break before the glue releases, That stuff is very strong.
Guess I don't get to go to Australia.

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Old 02-16-2005, 01:30 AM
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The thin horizontal wood trim piece above the four switches on our '83 300D fell off the other day. Not real surprising as the far right piece was off when I bought it. Not real concerned about putting it back, as 3M yellow death was used on the end piece and it has held for at least 6mos now with no signs of failure. The question I have relates to the middle of the metal backing which is still attached to the dash. There is a sort of "dumbell" shaped cut out in the metal and there is also a similar opening in the dash vinyl material as well. What was the lever that ran thru this area supposed to do, and was it only applied with the three knob heater control system? The wood piece on the '83 of course does not have this hole in it, as there is no lever. Kind of strange that the '83 dash piece still has the hole molded in, but might make conversion back to the manual style controls a lot easier.
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Old 02-16-2005, 02:00 AM
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I agree that it needs to be glued back, but I am open to more suggestions on how to remove the "curl" (flatten it) before glueing, as I feel that it will "curl" again unless it is straightened first.


If you decide to glue it, try Gorilla Glue as it works wonders for me. Very tough stuff...
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Old 02-16-2005, 05:02 AM
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You got it.

As long as I can come down and install it.
Brian, Youre ON. I hope you can afford the airfare. I will provide accommodation and Beer.
Food?? Naaah - Liquid diet only

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Old 02-16-2005, 12:32 PM
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I unclamped and trimmed the glovebox veneer. That urethane reall foams and expands. I dont think this is going to let go anytime soon. Here is the finished product.
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