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Old 04-01-2010, 02:02 AM
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Pulled an injector last night to check out nozzle. DNOSD314 is what I have in the 1993 2.5T. Do you think they were a rebuild? Or did those come with the 93s? Also there was this plastic black shield in the injector hole that looks like it is there to keep crud out from around injector. Nozzle looks pretty clean. Attached is pic. Maybe i should just leave what i have in there.

Also , i have a set of elsbett injectors for a 617 turbo engine i thought about swapping in for veggie oil use. Elsbett sells different injectors for the 60X engine but not sure what the difference is. Was gonna try these. But if my nozzles are already good, been replaced before, I may just use them. There is 260K on the engine.
I believe the Injector Nut size on the 617 turbo Injectors preclude their use in the 93 as the 617 Injectors thread into the Precombustion Chamber Retaining Ring/Collar while I believe the Injectors on the 93 thread direct into the precombustion chamber.
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oops i meant nozzles

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I believe the Injector Nut size on the 617 turbo Injectors preclude their use in the 93 as the 617 Injectors thread into the Precombustion Chamber Retaining Ring/Collar while I believe the Injectors on the 93 thread direct into the precombustion chamber.
Didn't mean injectors. Meant nozzles. Corrected my post. Thanks.
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:06 AM
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The older stock nozzles are good for terrorist diesel fuel.For us that don't sponsor terrorism Monark is Superior for alternate fuels.
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Well it turns out the DN0SD 314 nozzles were standard starting in 4/92 and replaced the DN0SD 265 ones. Also, the little black plastic sleeve to keep junk from around the injectors and prechamber was discontinued. So these nozzles I have are original with 260,000 miles.

Monarchs are good for WVO heh? I think I've heard that. I have an elsbett system I bought for a 617 engine last year when they were on sale. The only difference between that and kit for the 602/603 is the nozzles. But I'm gonna go ahead and try the elsbett 617 nozzles anyway after reading this thread. Can't really hurt i don't see. The design of prechamber in the 602 appears to be improved over the 617 so I should get plenty good combustion. I'm expect they are at least as good as Monarks.

I ordered a set of Elsbett nozzles for the 603 wagon already. A bit pricey at 200.00 for 6 but they are supposed to be special for WVO. Elsbett makes their own nozzles in Germany. Where do you get Monarks? I see mercedes source sells em for 125.00 for the 314 nozzles.
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Old 04-02-2010, 10:30 PM
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Well it turns out the DN0SD 314 nozzles were standard starting in 4/92 and replaced the DN0SD 265 ones. Also, the little black plastic sleeve to keep junk from around the injectors and prechamber was discontinued. So these nozzles I have are original with 260,000 miles.

Monarchs are good for WVO heh? I think I've heard that. I have an elsbett system I bought for a 617 engine last year when they were on sale. The only difference between that and kit for the 602/603 is the nozzles. But I'm gonna go ahead and try the elsbett 617 nozzles anyway after reading this thread. Can't really hurt i don't see. The design of prechamber in the 602 appears to be improved over the 617 so I should get plenty good combustion. I'm expect they are at least as good as Monarks.

I ordered a set of Elsbett nozzles for the 603 wagon already. A bit pricey at 200.00 for 6 but they are supposed to be special for WVO. Elsbett makes their own nozzles in Germany. Where do you get Monarks? I see mercedes source sells em for 125.00 for the 314 nozzles.
The Monarks are made in Germany. C Sean Watts buys the Nozzles and completely new Injectors direct from Monark. He has a lot of info on them.

I do not know how long Elsbett has been selling there stuff here in North America but if you do a search on them I do not think you will find much written about them.
Mercedes Source is the one who ads that Monarks are better for SVO, WVO. But, I have read that no were else except that the messeage is repeated on some Forums.
While I believe because the Monarks do not have the drilled Holes in the Injector Pintels to plug up as easily they may be less likely to do so when using Alternative Fuels this does not mean they were designed for use with Alternative Fuels.
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Is it best to PM Sean Watts to order new ones? I need new injectors for my tired 150k ones in a 1991 300d.
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Ironically I just asked him to put me down for a set of four. Sean can be PMd at hessianimports@bellsouth.net and is getting ready to order more Monark injectors. Hope this helps.
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Thanks- I ordered a set also.
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mtbguy: i'll take those tired nozzles off your hands
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The OM616/617 engines use Bosch 240/ nozzles that have a crosshole on the side of the tip of the pintle and an exit hole on the tip of the pintle. The OM602/603 engines use Bosch 265 nozzles whose pintles have no holes and they just have a longer tip....
240 Bosch Nozzle on the left and 240 Bosch nozzle on the right.




The pintle on the left is NOT worn down. I have several sets like this, but only the old Bosch 'France' 240 nozzles (on the right) that I bought in 1998 have the extended tip....
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:18 PM
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The OM616/617 engines use Bosch 240/ nozzles that have a crosshole on the side of the tip of the pintle and an exit hole on the tip of the pintle. The OM602/603 engines use Bosch 265 nozzles whose pintles have no holes and they just have a longer tip....



BOTH nozzles shown are 240's and BOTH have a center spray hole with a crosshole.

The pintle on the left has a 0.15mm' crosshole and the nozzle on the right has a 0.20mm crosshole.

FSM says the style was changed in November, 1981...FWIW
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:13 PM
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Thoughts?????????????
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