Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-31-2005, 08:16 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 38
Rust battle #434 Rear Control Arm

My right side rear control arm on my '83 123 is starting to rust through on the bottom. It looks like there is good weldable metal around the quarter size rust hole but if the swap isn't horrible I'd rather do the junk yard shuffle.

Can somebody give me an idication on the hassle-o-meter how bad this job is? What's involved in compressing that rear spring to get the arm in?

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-31-2005, 08:26 PM
Wodnek's Avatar
Vintage Mercedes Junkie
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Southeast Wisconsin
Posts: 1,661
I had to do this in december. I got one at the junk yard. Support the car on stands. Once you get the bolts out and let it down the spring can be taken out by hand. Rear springs are not under much tension, unlike fronts. One of the bolts is a real B@#ch to get out. I was very reluctant to remove the body mount bolt but when I did the whole rear suspension dropped a few inches and the bolts came out easily then. The body mount bolt looked to be grade 8 and even though it looked rusty it wasn't once I broke it loose. Probably the hardest thing on the project was the emergency brake. The whole bearing assembly is attached to the arm so you will have to slide back the axle. PM me if you have specific questions. Plan on a whole day for good measure.
__________________
1959 Gravely LI, 1963 Gravely L8, 1973 Gravely C12
1982 380SL
1978 450 SEL 6.9 euro restoration at 63% and climbing
1987 300 D
2005 CDI European Delivery
2006 CDI Handed down to daughter
2007 GL CDI. Wifes

Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-31-2005, 08:31 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,416
Thumbs down Do NOT weld...

Quote:
Originally Posted by rturtle
My right side rear control arm on my '83 123 is starting to rust through on the bottom. It looks like there is good weldable metal around the quarter size rust hole but if the swap isn't horrible I'd rather do the junk yard shuffle.

Can somebody give me an indication on the hassle-o-meter how bad this job is? What's involved in compressing that rear spring to get the arm in?
The trailing arm is subjected to massive torque stress.
A certified master welder working with an engineer would not be happy trying to weld a rusty one back together.

Liability = DANGER, think of what happens if it fails.

Get a good used one.

Have a great day.
__________________
ASE Master Mechanic
asemastermechanic@juno.com

Prototype R&D/testing:
Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician.
Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH).
Dynamometer.
Heat exchanger durability.
HV-A/C Climate Control.
Vehicle build.
Fleet Durability
Technical Quality Auditor.
Automotive Technical Writer

1985 300SD
1983 300D
1984 190D
2003 Volvo V70
2002 Honda Civic

https://www.boldegoist.com/
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-31-2005, 09:18 PM
boneheaddoctor's Avatar
Senior Benz fanatic
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hells half acre (Great Falls, Virginia)
Posts: 16,007
Listen to Whunter....he knows his stuff better than 99.99% of the people here.

Get a good used on and paint it with POR15 and it won't rust any more.
__________________
Proud owner of ....
1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
---------------------
Section 609 MVAC Certified
---------------------
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-31-2005, 10:32 PM
R Leo's Avatar
Stella!
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: En te l'eau Rant
Posts: 5,393
Do you need a trailing arm?
__________________
Never a dull moment at Berry Hill Farm.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-31-2005, 10:54 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,416
Thumbs up Hello R Leo

Quote:
Originally Posted by R Leo
Do you need a trailing arm?
Suggest you send him a PM.
If the rust is where I suspect, he needs a new trailing arm ASAP.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-01-2005, 11:33 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by whunter
The trailing arm is subjected to massive torque stress.
A certified master welder working with an engineer would not be happy trying to weld a rusty one back together.

Liability = DANGER, think of what happens if it fails.

Get a good used one.

Have a great day.
See that's why I would never have a certified master welder and an engineer work on it. Only a novice welder like myself could ever really be satisfied with the job

Thanks for the info Wodnek I may be hitting you up with questions. I found a 123 in the junkyard today. With a rust free control arm. I guess I get to practice on the entire assembly procedure in reverse while I pull it.

R. Leo I'm not familiar with what the trailing arm is. This is a picture of the rusted area. As I understand it this is the control arm.
Attached Thumbnails
Rust battle #434 Rear Control Arm-rust.jpg  
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-01-2005, 11:49 AM
R Leo's Avatar
Stella!
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: En te l'eau Rant
Posts: 5,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by rturtle
R. Leo I'm not familiar with what the trailing arm is. This is a picture of the rusted area. As I understand it this is the control arm.
I'm not trying to nit-pick... just trying to determine if you needed one. Technically, the part is called a 'trailing arm' ...and, yours is the one is on the left side, I believe.

From Fastlane... L2005-16589 Trailing Arm IN STOCK Fastlane Price-> $1568.00

Mine is MUCH cheaper....let me know if you need it.
__________________
Never a dull moment at Berry Hill Farm.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-01-2005, 12:08 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Leo
I'm not trying to nit-pick... just trying to determine if you needed one. Technically, the part is called a 'trailing arm' ...and, yours is the one is on the left side, I believe.

From Fastlane... L2005-16589 Trailing Arm IN STOCK Fastlane Price-> $1568.00

Mine is MUCH cheaper....let me know if you need it.
Believe you me I appreciate any offers of help, knowledge, or parts! Whether I can use it or not I thought it was called the rear control arm from a line drawing I saw linked when I searched here earlier. (http://************************/BitMapPage.aspx?bitmapid=91&bitmapname=Rear+Suspension)

My problem part is on the right hand side. I've located one in my local U-Pull-it and although I'm sure it would be a ton less hassle to buy it in a box, I need to pull it my self so I can figure out how the damn thing goes in and out.

Last edited by rturtle; 04-01-2005 at 12:13 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-01-2005, 12:27 PM
R Leo's Avatar
Stella!
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: En te l'eau Rant
Posts: 5,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by rturtle
I thought it was called the rear control arm from a line drawing.
Yeah, PP; that figures. They sort of make up their own rules/names/prices...


Quote:
Originally Posted by rturtle
I need to pull it my self so I can figure out how the damn thing goes in and out.

Understood! I frequently use my parts cars as medical cadavers for the same reason.

When doing this project, I suggest that you replace both trailing arms along with installing new trailing arm bushings and subframe bushings.

Here are a few links to threads on changing out trailing arms and related rear suspension work. Good luck, be careful.

Trailing Arm 1

Trailing Arm 2

Trailing Arm 3
__________________
Never a dull moment at Berry Hill Farm.

Last edited by R Leo; 04-01-2005 at 12:34 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-01-2005, 01:50 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Leo
Understood! I frequently use my parts cars as medical cadavers for the same reason.
Hahahaha. Thanks for the links.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-01-2005, 05:10 PM
Wodnek's Avatar
Vintage Mercedes Junkie
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Southeast Wisconsin
Posts: 1,661
Being that these have independent rear suspension it does look more like a control arm then a trailing arm. When mine rusted AND BROKE, it was what i asked for at the junk yard. For $35 they torched it out. I got the rotor, axle, and caliper to boot! I was there less than an hour. Too bad we can't use the blue wrench to work on our drivers that fast.
__________________
1959 Gravely LI, 1963 Gravely L8, 1973 Gravely C12
1982 380SL
1978 450 SEL 6.9 euro restoration at 63% and climbing
1987 300 D
2005 CDI European Delivery
2006 CDI Handed down to daughter
2007 GL CDI. Wifes

Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-01-2005, 07:04 PM
Johnhef's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Frederick, Md
Posts: 4,540
I need a right one for a long 126 if anyone has one around shock already broke loose in it and rattles freely.

No real hurry, car still has no engine in it yet...
__________________


1980 500SE/AMG Euro
1981 500SEL Euro
1982 380SEL
1983 300TD
1983 500SEC/AMG Euro
1984 500SEC
1984 300TD Euro
1986 190E 2.3-16
1986 190E 2.3
1987 300D
1997 C36 AMG
2003 C320T 4matic

past: 1969 280SE 4.5 | 1978 240D | 1978 300D | 1981 300SD | 1981 300SD | 1982 300CD | 1983 300CD | 1983 300SD | 1983 380SEC | 1984 300D | 1984 300D | 1984 300TD | 1984 500SEL | 1984 300SD | 1985 300D | 1986 300E | 1986 560SEL | 1986 560SEL/Carat | 1987 560SEC | 1991 300D 2.5 | 2006 R350
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-01-2005, 09:58 PM
boneheaddoctor's Avatar
Senior Benz fanatic
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Hells half acre (Great Falls, Virginia)
Posts: 16,007
Quote:
Originally Posted by rturtle
See that's why I would never have a certified master welder and an engineer work on it. Only a novice welder like myself could ever really be satisfied with the job

Thanks for the info Wodnek I may be hitting you up with questions. I found a 123 in the junkyard today. With a rust free control arm. I guess I get to practice on the entire assembly procedure in reverse while I pull it.

R. Leo I'm not familiar with what the trailing arm is. This is a picture of the rusted area. As I understand it this is the control arm.
I know its already been answered but thats junk.....beyond any doubt.....get a good used one.
__________________
Proud owner of ....
1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
---------------------
Section 609 MVAC Certified
---------------------
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-16-2010, 02:46 PM
4x4_Welder's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 504
You're right- a certified Master Welder wouldn't touch that thing.
If any shop's insurance company found out that the shop had done a patch job like that, the shop would be dropped and likely uninsurable after that.

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
92 300D rear outer control arm bushing NickMendoza Diesel Discussion 8 12-12-2005 04:38 AM
83 240D How hard is it to replace an Upper Control Arm? Carrameow Tech Help 3 09-15-2003 10:59 AM
Lower control arm bushings on 107, any warnings? Steve Gutman Tech Help 0 07-09-2003 08:46 AM
s500 control arm mrbojengels Tech Help 0 01-27-2003 02:51 AM
rear control arm bushings help stevepeck Tech Help 1 08-04-1999 07:25 PM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:33 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page