As you all know I have two Benzes a 1979 300SD.....and a 1983 300D.

I have almost a 1,000 RPM difference between the two cars on the road at 70 mph.

Both are the 4-speed automatics....both have differentials stamped with 3.07. Both run tires nearly the same diameter.......This baffles me. The 300SD cranks way more rpms on the road and it IS shifting through all 4 gears. with minimal slippage (as all automatics have some).

You can audibly hear the differences, its very noticible...so its not a tach inaccuracy thing.

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Maybe the ratios comming out of the trans are different? Its a bigger heavier car with a towing capacity, that would be my GUESS.
Wodnek

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That is very odd indeed. My only guess would be the speedo is off, but by that much though???? I'd like to see what other people have to say about it.

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1976 280C
1976 280S
1981 240D 4 speed (parts car)
1982 300D
1983 300TD (Ivory)
1983 300TD (gold)
1985 300TD (gray)
1987 190D 2.5
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No, high gear should have a 1:1 ratio, aka "direct drive" on both trany's well, as direct as you're gonna get with an auto-trans

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1969 220D 4 speed (parts car)
1976 280C
1976 280S
1981 240D 4 speed (parts car)
1982 300D
1983 300TD (Ivory)
1983 300TD (gold)
1985 300TD (gray)
1987 190D 2.5
1970 280SEL (sold)
1977 240D 4 speed (sold)
1974 280 (rusted to death)
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1927 Chevy 4 door sedan
1938 Chevy 2 door sedan
1950 Willys Jeepster
1955 Studebaker President 4 door
1977 Ford F250
1979 Glastron 17'
1948 John Deere A
1960 John Deere 2010
1979 Satoh S650G
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2000 Bichon (Doby)

Well as far as speedo accuracy.....morning traffic averages about the same...70 mph is normal in light traffic areas.....plus I have driven by stationary radar at limit and thats what others were doing...( and we are talking 30% difference here) ....and since these things are nighmares to rebuild I am assuming they have the original gearsets in the housings.

No I havent jacked the car up to turn the driveshaft and count the turns on both....which is hard since the availible space in my driveway is not flat and car would roll on the jack.

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1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Bonehead, Cannot really see wrong rear end gears but anything is posssible. Suspect one transmission by malfunction in passing gear mode perhaps rather than final drive. Do not know much about automatics unfortunatley. Just trying to generate ideals. Could be something as simple as a linkage problem or kickdown switch if lucky. At least I am relatively certain it's not your glow plugs. just re read your description. Possibly torque converter is slipping far more than normal? They can go bad of course. Have a look at that transmission fluid as well. Hope someone with more torque converter experience chimes in.

I think Barry has a good idea there, the trans on the SD might not be going into high gear. What RPM's do you see in each at 70? 3000 and 4000? Also, it's possible the torque converter on the SD is on the way out. Hope not.

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listen, look, .........and duck.

The tach speed should be about 3125 rpm at 70 mph with 195/70/14's.

It would be almost impossible to remain in third at this speed. You certainly would notice rpm's approaching 4500.

So, which one is not near this rpm?

It might be time to do a differential check.

with a 3.07 diff you should see approx:
SPEED RPM
60 2750
65 3000
75 3400
80 3650
85 3850
90 4100

I read this with my 300D and 3.07 gears before I installed a 2.88 diff. Rounded as close as I can read.
If your tach is correct (and I would think it hard to be off by 1000 RPM!) then you just may either be stuck in 3rd gear or the diff gears are not what is stamped on the case. Like Brian says, its time to manually count the revs (up on a hoist I presume)

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IIRC:

Jack up one wheel.

Mark the tire and the driveshaft.

Turn the tire 10 rotations and watch the drive shaft. Count the rotations.

Divide the drive shaft rotations by 20.

A 3.07 should give you 61.4 rotations of the driveshaft for 10 turns of the tire.

..............but, this is from memory.............and.............it's been a long time.

I am going to try that on both cars..(manually confirm gear ratio)..torque converter does not appear to be slipping as that should be most noticible at low speeds and the car trys to drive away in gear as it is which is normal with these...

I know the SD isn't hanging in passing gear...it is going into fourth...at 60 if I drop gear shift down one notch the RPMS do pick up markedly.....and thats all the kickdown switch does. SO it is going into hig gear.....

I does act like one of these does not have the gears that are stampped on the housing. Both cars should operate at the same rpms....and the difference......is pretty large. More than can be attributed to slight tire size differences between them. And both are really very clearly stamped 3.07 on the bottom corner of the differential housing......I love the off the line pickup the 300SD has....but I love the high end power the 300D has....above 60mph the W123 will eat my W116 alive.....but below 60 the W116 will eat the W123 alive. Well...no rain is expected till tomorrow so might get to do that before dark tonight. Swinging by the stealership to see if they have injector line return hose handy.....mine is seeping pretty heavy now and I think it is breaking down rapidly the the return line hose under the car.....my 2 week old filter has a LOT of flecks in it.......better take car of this before it starts pumping fuel directly onto the ground......

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1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

I would not trust 25+ year old guages to be anything but close. On our boat the engines will be in synch but the tachs will read 1k rpm difference. Never trust old electronic guages.

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"A 3.07 should give you 61.4 rotations of the driveshaft for 10 turns of the tire."

I can't figure this out...

If you turn the wheel one turn the driveshaft should turn 3.07 times....

So if you turn the wheel 10 turns the driveshaft should turn about 30 times....

Or have the POR15 fumes gotten to me today ?

With one wheel on the ground and not turning (assuming it is not limited slip ) the carrier will turn at wheel speed, and the drive shaft will turn at at twice the carrier speed.

I don't think POR15 was involved...

Best Regards,
Jim

If both wheels were off the ground its 3.07 times with one wheel on the ground you double that due to the differential action. THats why it can be dangerous to be spinning wheels on a open differential in the snow...becasue that spinning wheel is agtually spinning at twice the speed indicated on the speedometer.

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Proud owner of ....
1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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Section 609 MVAC Certified
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche