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Old 06-23-2005, 07:53 PM
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I had two of my hoses rebuilt at ACkits.com in Phoenix. Cost was about $55 total. I had the two expensive hoses rebuilt there and bought one new one that was only $15 more from the factory. Carlisle and one other place that is frequently mentioned on this board can rebuild. I can't remember whether it was the suction or hi-side hose that lists for $350!!!!

The only caveat with using a new rebuilt compressor with your old hoses is I lost a day because we couldn't find the correct seal to mate the old hose to the new style compressor. Napa didn't have it and didn't have anyone on a Sunday that knew anything.
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Old 06-23-2005, 07:59 PM
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"Like I said before, everybody has an A/C opinion. Ask 10 experts and engineers and get 10 different answers. I can always find an opinion from an engineer that is an expert in their field, ask another expert and get a different answer. Why do you think auto engineers do one thing one way and change it in the future?"--Diesel Giant

To claim that there are no such things as facts... or that all ' facts' have equal value in making decisions is just false.
It is true that that game is often played in courtrooms... but savvy juries punish lawyers who hold that concept.

Do you own any books about Air conditioning ?
Have you read them ?
Did you think you understood them ?

Hint: You missed some concepts and it is not fair that you try to 'sell' that misinformation to unsuspecting readers of this forum. The ones in the know will just ignore your ' experiences' ... but others need all the show presented.. and I am not taking it personally .... You have been throwing softballs... and you don't realize that each time you post about things other than physics more people see the error of your thinking and the vacousness of your arguement.
Given the subject matter that was a pun...
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Old 06-23-2005, 08:45 PM
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"To claim that there are no such things as facts... or that all ' facts' have equal value in making decisions is just false.
It is true that that game is often played in courtrooms... but savvy juries punish lawyers who hold that concept." Leathermang wrote

A) I never made the quote above
B) You use spurious arguments and conjecture in analogies that don't apply
C) You missed the whole point to the pictorial
D) I took a 20 year old car with non working A/C, completed a write-up not for the "experts", but for the average guy who wants his air cold.
E) Just let it go..............
F) We live in an imperfect world so those of us who can, improvise get-r-done.
G) If you don't like the way I fixed the A/C then I invite you to fly, drive, walk to Atlanta and redo it for me. I doubt you will get the A/C any colder, though. But if it bothers you as much as it seems to, then please come and rectify it for me.
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That is STILL my interpretation of your " experts" paragraph...
Put me on your " ignore" list... check the user CP for options to do that..
I am not talking to you... I am talking ABOUT what you have said and done....keep that distinction in mind if you can...

If you will look more carefully you will see that that was my statement... I did not put quotation marks around it and attribute it to you...
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Old 06-23-2005, 09:00 PM
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Can anyone elighten me regarding Freeze-12? The SD supposedly has Freeze-12 in the system based upon the sticker under the hood, however, when the indy checked the system he confirmed that it was standard R-134. Would these two have the same properties??
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Old 06-23-2005, 09:20 PM
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Ignor list??

Sombody got their feeling hurt today.


I am sure everybody reading this thread is tired of this line of conversation, so just step to the side and I will do the same.
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Not me.... I was having too much fun... you were lobbing softballs...
It looked like you were getting angry...and some people don't know about the 'ignore' list.... if you really can't stand to see a particular person's posts...it is a great tool.... Larry Bible claims that I am on his....
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Old 06-23-2005, 09:29 PM
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134a is NOT the same as Freeze 12. Evidently the sticker is wrong. Maybe sombody converted it in the past and then put in that garbage 134a in later.

My system was converted to 134a somtime in the past. Boy am I glad I decided NOT to use it again.

In a nut shell Freeze 12 will cool better than 13 4a in most retrofit applications. Freeze 12 has a pressure curve which is close to R-12 while 134a operates at significantly higher pressures than R- 12. It can work with the existing mineral oil and does not require lubricant replacement as 134a does.
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:25 PM
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I'll still stick with R12 like Leathermang and Larry bible recomend...getting the R12 is little harder to get than the other stuff...and with the effort I will be making to fix the W123's issues its trivial in extra cost and extra effort....
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:28 PM
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Excuse me but, wasn't this an airconditioning thread? Jeez.
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:33 PM
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From this site:

http://autorefrigerants.com/freeze12faq.htm

"ANSWERS TO COMMONLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT FREEZE 12

What is the EPA status of Freeze 12 ? Freeze 12 is EPA acceptable subject to use conditions for mobile vehicle air conditioning.

Are Freeze 12 and Freezone the same? The two are similar in formulation, but are two different products. TCC only markets Freeze 12.

Is Freeze 12 military approved or approved by TARDAC or MEEP? No, it is not.

How much will Freeze 12 cost? It will be priced less than R-12 was in 1995.
What is involved in a retrofit to Freeze 12 ?

The law requires that the existing refrigerant in the system be evacuated and unique fittings and a label be installed with any replacement refrigerant.

Also, if the A/C system being converted is equipped with a High Pressure Relief Valve, a High Pressure Cutout Switch must be installed in accordance with EPA SNAP regulations.

Use of Freeze 12 does not require that the lubricant or other components be changed.
What are the requirements for recovery equipment with Freeze 12 ?

The EPA requires that recovery of Freeze 12 must be done with a dedicated recovery unit. TCC offers a competitively priced unit for this purpose.

If Freeze 12 is recovered out of a system what should be done with it? TCC has a return cylinder program for the recovered material to be sent back to us.

What is the warranty of a new compressor using Freeze 12 ?

At this time some evaluations are taking place which will determine the warranty situation of a new compressor using Freeze 12. Currently there are no new compressor warranty endorsements for Freeze 12. We expect this to change as there were no new compressor warranties in the beginning for R-134a retrofits and now most compressor manufacturers offer them. "
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Key concepts in this page which might cause concern for a car owner...
"dedicated recovery unit" ... you can find people with 134a and R12 recovery units... how likely is it that someone will invest in this next time you want to service your charge ?
"high pressure cutoff switch to be installed if your system has a high pressure relief valve"
"No New compressor warranty endorsements"... the left handed way of saying that using Freeze12 may void the warranty you get with a new compressor.
Bottom Line :
Since R12 is available at reasonable cost... why would a person choose to add these drawbacks to his future AC maintenance ? No good reason which I can figure out....
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Old 06-23-2005, 11:40 PM
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Brian,

Freeze 12 is ~80%- R134a... and ~20%- R142b AFAIK
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Brian,

Freeze 12 is ~80%- R134a... and ~20%- R142b AFAIK
This makes perfect sense. Probably why the indy confirmed R-134 for the Freeze 12.

Must have better performance than R-134 if it achieves 38 outlet temperatures.
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Old 06-24-2005, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel Giant
I am sure everybody reading this thread is tired of this line of conversation, so just step to the side and I will do the same.
This thread is a nice break from "will 20" wheels fit on my, like, 123?", or "dude, how can I make my 240 go 135?".
Good old fashion adult debate. I enjoy when I have to get my pocket dictionary to look up a word. Come on, admit it, not all of yall knew those words either!
I hope what doesn't get lost is the fact that I, and I'm sure others, appreciate the instructions along with PICTURES! We also appreciate the facts supporting other views.
So, having said all that, get back to it boys......
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Only one of the AC piks was visable. All the others had a small 'x' in a square.

Any fix for this?

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