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03-15-2006, 06:13 PM
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The Jetta Tdi spanks the Prius Hybrid
Read this article on how the Jetta beats the MPG and other things when in competition with the Toyota Prius.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-06-10-diesel-vs-hybrid_x.htm
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03-15-2006, 06:25 PM
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He runs the test in opposite directions using different routes.
He runs the Prius in stop and go traffic.......no mention of this for the Jetta. A very well controlled experiment and real good data. 
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03-15-2006, 06:30 PM
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Well how about this for a comparision. Actual mpg on highway for a prius is 35mpg while a jetta VE tdi gets 50mpg highway. Now thats spanking the prius.
also read this from TDIclub.com http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=128393
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03-15-2006, 06:38 PM
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According to the Prius PR people the Prius gets better mileage in stop and go traffic. They even go as far as to recommend not to do rolling stops to save fuel. This flies in the face of thermodynamics, but I can't blame a reporter for not knowing this and conducting his test in the most favorable manner he was informed.
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03-15-2006, 06:40 PM
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Did you adjust the Jetta tdi for "real world" fuel economy or did you simply post the Prius "real world" fuel economy?
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03-15-2006, 06:50 PM
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Ask anyone on the TDIclub their actual REAL WORLD mileage on a VE TDI and they will tell you 50+mpg highway. REAL WORLD driving. We get 50mpgs on the highway in the passat TDI and thats a newer PD TDI!
There is real world proof, my mom's passat tdi that got 50mpg on the highway in REAL WORLD.
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03-15-2006, 06:55 PM
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03-15-2006, 07:00 PM
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50+ any day
Our Passat (may it RIP) got 50 mpg in the combo of highway and city.
When we took it for long highway trips it got 56. Now I don't have any clue about what the hybrids get, but I'd be surprised if they got this. AND the VWs actually have ROOM to get people in them. Ginny in Denver
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03-15-2006, 07:08 PM
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I can believe a TDI gets better mpg on the highway than a Prius. A Corolla probably gets better highway mpg than a Prius. Current hybrids aren't optimized for steady state high speed cruising. The comparison is pointless.
As long as TDI fuel economy offsets the cost premium of Diesel fuel, it makes the point. Sixto
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03-15-2006, 07:18 PM
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Just run an honest test of the two vehicles........on the same course.......in the same direction........by the same driver. Than you have good data to draw an honest conclusion.
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03-15-2006, 07:25 PM
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"The gas-tank warning light flashed after 422 miles. I drove 10 miles to the next gas station and filled up, putting 11.1 gallons into the 11.9-gallon tank. That would indicate 38 mpg, far short of the 51 mpg government rating. The car's trip computer told me it had been getting 51.7 mpg."
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03-15-2006, 07:29 PM
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No vehicles actually meet the government rating in "real world" driving.
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03-15-2006, 07:32 PM
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 in real world driving 
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03-15-2006, 07:54 PM
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The head to head test I always wanted to do with my TDI and a Prius was a trip up Pike's Peak and back down. Without the power of regenerative braking I wonder how long the Prius would pull. I think the TDI might also get better mileage. The TDI when in gear without your foot on the accelerator, such as going downhill engine braking actually does not feed fuel at all.
Or just a test across some mountain range, with protracted uphills and no need for braking.
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