Gentlefolks,

Here are some photos from under the hood on my '85 300D-T, I find little reference to some of these devices. First I will post all of the photos, and later will edit/embelish the individual photos, and post them here individually...complete with some questions and comments.....later maybe we can use them in an Illistrated Vacuum guide, something that this forum lacks!!

SB

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

Seek and ye shall find:

In attached highlighted photos....and schematic

First Photo .......

Vacuum Converter (Item 84 on schematic), upper device, I haven't a clue as to what this device does, actuated electrically by Control Unit (Item 80 on Schematic)....it does have a complex network of hoses...one of which connects to EGR Valve (Item 60 on schematic)

Switchover Valve (Item 81 on schematic), lower device, I assume that an electrical signal is sent from Control Unit (Item 80 on schematic) something that I have not identified (yet), and once activated applies Vacuum to Air Recirculating Valve (Item 71 on schematic)

Schematic.....sorry, I rotated it so as to post it as large as possible, courtesy this forum, diagrams

Second Photo......

EGR Valve (Item 60), upper device, Operated by vacuum supplied from Vacuum Converter (Item 84)

Air Recirculating Valve (Item 70), lower device, I assume that this is the Turbo Boost Dump, Operated by vacuum supplied from Switchover Valve (Item 81)







I hope that this helps someone else, and if I am wrong please correct me....also would someone please identify or locate the "Control Unit" (item 80)

Thanx,
SB

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

....will get to that one later.....hope to take some photos under the car next time it's on a lift......late next week, more than likely......then we cam view the transmission vacuum "doo dad;s"

SB

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

This little electrically operated valve supplies vacuum to something that I have not traced yet......it's really there though....

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

Shorebilly,
I am not certain about your car's model... is/does it:
Q1 - a 123.133 chassis,
Q2 - have a 617.952 engine
Q3 - it a 1985 300D Turbodiesel

IF yes, then an alternative vacuum diagram resource WebSite that has over 30 diagrams can be found at: www.PeterSchmid.Com.

When I punch up the above YR/MOD/Chassis on this WebSite I come up with two diagrams:
(1) Federal Cars at: http://www.peterschmid.com/vacuum/1977_1985/617_95/1984_1985.jpg
and
(2) CA Cars at: http://www.peterschmid.com/vacuum/1977_1985/617_95/1985_cal.jpg

I hope this diagram info helps some. I am NOT that familiar with models as LATE as yours... at least not yet... but will likely be learning about a CA W126 300SD that my inlaws own. I hope you do not own a CA car for the Engine/Tranny vacuum systems tend to be more complicated.

Be sure to let us know IF/WHEN you have pinned down which diagram is [for certain] for your car. I have once other resource I want to check and will let you know if it appears to hold any promise.

Best regards,
Sam Ross

http://www.performanceproducts4benz.com/Drawings.aspx?bmid=154

Go to the above http: link and figure out how to Zoom in/out by clicking on the area that has the 6 diagrams. Then zoom in on the bottom center diagram and the numbers seen there correspond to the descriptions of the components this parts company actually stock [colored in orange ]... thus the listing is NOT complete as to all such vacuum components.

Again... hope this helps. Let me know if I have correctly matched up your model number with your car.
Regards,
Sam

G'mornin' Folks,

Yes, those are the proper chassis and engine numbers for my car.

Those links are a wonderful asset to my growing collection of diagrams and links......my car is a "federal" '85 300D-T......

In your second note, you sent me to "Performance4Benz"....I have only looked in there long enough to see that their website will also be useful, and to sign both myself and my brother for their catalog.

Thanx, that's the kind of info that I am looking for......I will need to look around further to see if there is a wiring diagram for the "Control Unit"

SB

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

Folks,

I enclose the following exerpt from a responce to an e-mail that I sent to ...
Mr. Kurt Bergsma of www.**************.com

He wrote.....

"The 1985 model year for the 123 chassis diesels was unique. They were moving to meet the new emissions standards and for this year only that had a new and revised vacuum system. It is very hard to get information on the 85 schematics. I am not sure what if anything is included on their new CD (not too impressed with their CDs....)"

.....there was more to the letter, mostly relating to a couple of tools, and an unrelated electrical problem.....

Now we are getting some good info together on the '85 300D....I hope that this helps some others out there in "Digital Benz Land"

Thanks All
SB

Note: Mr. Bergsma was responding to a comment in my original letter, where I indicated that I had ordered the CD Maintenance Library from MBUSA.....and I have to agree that their CD is not of the newest technology, and unsearchable, as far as I can tell, so far......from my past professional career, I know and respect the German way of record keeping...and most of the info that I presently seek is probably in there somewhere......on my ship, we had books, and file folders of drawings from the Naval Architecht/Marine Design Engineers, to the Builder/Shipyard, to the individual suppliers of sub-systems and components....very thorough, but a tad different from an American point of view!!

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

Mr. Ross wrote....

When I punch up the above YR/MOD/Chassis on this WebSite I come up with two diagrams:
(1) Federal Cars at: http://www.peterschmid.com/vacuum/19.../1984_1985.jpg
and
(2) CA Cars at: http://www.peterschmid.com/vacuum/19...5/1985_cal.jpg

Here are both drawings, resized for this forum, I haven't a clue as to how to post a big picture, but clicking on the thumbnails will give you a larger photo.

They arem by far the clearest copies that I have seen to date....





Thanx again,
SB

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

[QUOTE=Shorebilly;1291774]Folks,

I enclose the following exerpt from a responce to an e-mail that I sent to ...
Mr. Kent Bergsma of www.**************.com

He wrote.....

"The 1985 model year for the 123 chassis diesels was unique. They were moving to meet the new emissions standards and for this year only that had a new and revised vacuum system. It is very hard to get information on the 85 schematics. "

This explains why my "Federal" car has some, but not all of the features that a "Califunya" car does.....

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Diesels:
'85 300D, "Max, Blue Benz", 155K, 27.0 MPG
'84 190D 2.2, "Eva, Brown Benz", 142K, 40.2 MPG
'77 240D (parts car)
'67 Eicher ES 202 Tractor "Otto" (2cyl, Air Cooled, 30HP)
Gassers:
'94 Ford F-150, "Henry", 170K (300 Six) 17.5 MPG
'85 190E 2.3, 148K....Parts Car
'58 Dodge W300M Powerwagon (Flat Fenders) Less than 10 MPG

Hey Shorebilly,

I know this thread is a few months old and you've probably moved on to other problems issues with your '85, but I was wondering if you'd still be interested in writing a summary of the original problem and the final resolution. Did you end up bypassing the boost dump and EGR, or did you reconnect?

So far this thread has been the most helpful in unraveling the uniqueness of my '85s tranny (also a Federal). My issue is with an intermittent hard shifting (worse when the engine is cold). Now at least I think I have enough info to start troubleshooting.

Thanks for the great thread!

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Obiwanrazzy
1985 300D 267k and hemorrhaging...

As I was trying to figure out the vacuum system on my '85 SD I found it has CA emissions. The new (used) engine was installed (and messed up!) by a MB dealership and apparently it has CA emissions because the vacuum diagram in this threat matches exactly what I have. What else besides the vacuum system might be different from federal emissions and what can I remove / disconnect to optimize performance? Can I just 're-convert' it to federal?

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'99 S420, 155k
'91 VW Vanagon GL, 150k
'85 VW Vanagon GL, 120k
'82 VW Westy, aircooled, 165k

Firstly, Hello All.

I have what appears to be the exact model of MB as pictured in this thread.
My problems are as follows:
- Hard 1-2 shift
- No shift to 4th (stays in 3rd) and, it seems as temp rises, no shift to 2nd (no 3rd or 4th)
This can all be alleviated by disconnecting the transmission output from item#80 (flying saucer type thing) however, the car won't shut off - DUH! It Shifts great with this line disconnected.
I have a new vacuum modulator for the transmission which I assume is located on the Driver's side (correct?) but have not installed.
I have replaced the rubber vacuum lines as they were rotted.
I have not cleaned the lines (banjo fittings, hard lines, etc.)
I am mostly in the research phase of this project but would love to eliminated this issue as this is a great car pushing almost 300k miles!
I would greatly appreciate any input from the enlightened - pretty please.
Thanks again,
Adam

For anyone who's still interested, I believe #80 (Control Unit) in the diagram in the second post is what is commonly referred to as the EGR Control Unit. It's located behind the passenger side kick panel.

You can read about it and see pictures in This Thread

Cheers.