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Old 04-04-2007, 04:59 PM
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Unhappy motor wont turn!...?

(I warm my car every day at least 10 minutes before driving.) i stopped somewhere for about 2 hours and started the car up. I had been driving for 30 miles before that and didnt think i needed warm up time so i headed off. Down the road less than a mile, the car took more acceleration to get up to speed. It finally just died out and i pulled over. I tried to start it and it made the slow reving noise like when the battery is out of power. I thought it might be the alternator but when i got a jump, it still wouldnt start. I towed it home, charged battery, and checked all electrical. Everything was fine but it still would only 'click' and not start. so I decided to try to turn the engine (clockwise) with a wrench. Lo and behold, I coudn't turn the lower gear thingy. The belt will turn but it will squeek and slip off the lower gear as it's turning, so it's not that I'm not turning it hard enough. I checked the oil and WHOA, it's EMPTY? I changed the oil last month. I filled it up with a quart of 15W-40 and it still wont turn/start. Could anyone please tell me what's going on? I don't know what I did. The car was running very solid for the 2 months i've had it. I adjusted the valves recently, changed oil, changed filters, did other basic tune-up type things. Thanks for the help..

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Old 04-04-2007, 05:07 PM
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The crank case holds 7.9 quarts of oil. How can you fill it up with one quart?

If that engine was run empty, it's a good bet it's toast.

What gear thing are you turning? You should use a 27mm socket and breaker bar to turn the crank clock wise only.

Also what model and year is your car?
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:09 PM
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Just for ****s and giggles cut / remove the AC belt.
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:22 PM
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The crank case holds 7.9 quarts of oil. How can you fill it up with one quart?

If that engine was run empty, it's a good bet it's toast.

What gear thing are you turning? You should use a 27mm socket and breaker bar to turn the crank clock wise only.

Also what model and year is your car?
How do you know what car he has, if its a 240 it holds 6 qts.
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:23 PM
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if it was empty, the engine is done with. Every week i always check my oil, cause u never know. BUt yea, cut the AC belt..but most likley u seized the engine.
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Old 04-04-2007, 05:36 PM
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How do you know what car he has, if its a 240 it holds 6 qts.
That's why I asked which car. The 617 holds 7.9 qts. I put the cart in front of the horse. Good catch there.
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Old 04-04-2007, 07:03 PM
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well i didnt fill it up.. but anyway, its like the motor wont budge. its a 78 300d but the motor was replacedwith a '85 turbo diesel, at 80,000 miles. also the AC belt was taken off already
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Old 04-04-2007, 07:29 PM
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Then you ran it out of oil and seized the engine up

u happen to catch the smoke coming out the exhaust?
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Old 04-04-2007, 07:31 PM
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sounds bleak, but...

at least you enjoyed the time youve had with the car.

Hopefully it isn't the worst case of a siezed engine, but it sure sounds like it. These engines need alot of oil to run, and 1 quart is definately not enough to keep any engine alive, let alone these oil hungry beasts...

Best of luck though, maybe someone has an extra engine laying around, or your local junkyard has one that works...

oh, update your info so those of us who live near you can see what we can do to help, ya know?

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Old 04-04-2007, 08:40 PM
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yep, smoke coming out of the exhaust when i try to start. i put in 4 quarts, its right above the full line. no start. this sucks
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:42 PM
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yep, smoke coming out of the exhaust when i try to start. i put in 4 quarts, its right above the full line. no start. this sucks
Smoke from the exhaust would indicate that the engine is indeed rotating....but perhaps is too damaged/scored to attain any compression in the cylinders.
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:54 PM
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is there anything i can do for this current engine? i'd rather fix/save parts then start over. if not... anyone want to buy some parts?
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:58 PM
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is there anything i can do for this current engine? i'd rather fix/save parts then start over. if not... anyone want to buy some parts?
You could have a mechanic look over the engine and inspect it, but he'd probably just pronounce it dead or in need of a full rebuild. $$$

How many miles were on the engine...?

Do you mean parts from the engine or parts from the whole car?
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:02 PM
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approx. 80,000 miles were on the engine. And I live in salem, OR. I will see what I can do about a new engine. email me at nate-myers[at]peacemail[dot]com if you need anything in particular from the engine.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:04 PM
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Keep trying to start it... you never know.
Add more oil too. You are probably just refilling the empty lines and oil cooler. Best fill her all the way up so that all engine components can get full lubrication. These engines are very die hard and I wouldnt be surprised if it fired up again.

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