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Old 05-31-2007, 12:41 PM
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Improving Acceleration...

I'm trying to get more performance out of my 83 300sd. Notice I said performance and not horsepower. Increasing horsepower is great, but not at a loss of low end grunt. My main focus is Improving acceleration. I am happy with the performance above 40 mph, but getting to 40mph usually a time consuming task.

The biggest problem is my tranny starts in 2nd gear. Is there a cheap and easy way to get the tranny to start in 1st? ( without me shifting myself. ) I have heard about the valve body swap, but finding that 1st gear start valve body is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Eliminating Lag , Quicker Spool is what I was mainly thinking. I was thinking a boost controller could help with spool up, what are your thoughts on this? and then a newer, modern turbo, that spools up much quicker, not necessarily bigger, just newer technology. I have been looking into the Holset turbos, the smaller ones, no bigger than the hx30.

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Old 05-31-2007, 03:16 PM
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I rebuilt a turbo(Garrett) with a .36AR turbine housing(tighter scroll- .48 AR is standard) that the rebuilder had sitting on the shelf in his spares room. The turbo spools about 200 rpm quicker. Another option would be ball bearings, if you can retrofit an older turbo with ball bearings. Boost controller? Just set the wastegate to crack at 12psi- I don't see how an external boost controller would help, but who knows. A really good rebuild would help spool very slightly I would think.
Have you tried the ALDA adjustment?
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Old 05-31-2007, 03:33 PM
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best way to improve acceleration is to remove weight. higher gears help.
my 82 starts in first. perhaps looking for an 82 SD trans would help?
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:40 PM
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Are you hitting max fuel stop on the linkage? Have you checked IP timing? Have you pop tested and balanced the injectors? Try all these things first before trying anything else.
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:27 PM
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I'm trying to get more performance out of my 83 300sd. Notice I said performance and not horsepower. Increasing horsepower is great, but not at a loss of low end grunt. My main focus is Improving acceleration. I am happy with the performance above 40 mph, but getting to 40mph usually a time consuming task.

The biggest problem is my tranny starts in 2nd gear. Is there a cheap and easy way to get the tranny to start in 1st? ( without me shifting myself. ) I have heard about the valve body swap, but finding that 1st gear start valve body is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Eliminating Lag , Quicker Spool is what I was mainly thinking. I was thinking a boost controller could help with spool up, what are your thoughts on this? and then a newer, modern turbo, that spools up much quicker, not necessarily bigger, just newer technology. I have been looking into the Holset turbos, the smaller ones, no bigger than the hx30.

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A properly running SD doesn't need anymore performance below the onset of boost. It should smartly accelerate at 2000 rpm and easily keep up with most traffic........unless they are racing you. If it doesn't do this, then the ALDA needs to be adjusted for more fuel..........the IP timing needs to be checked...........and the cam timing needs to be verified.

With regard to the second gear start, the SD will do this if the Bowden cable is too slack. Pop the socket off the ball and adjust the cable so that it just snaps onto the ball without any cable slack........in fact.........a bit of tension on the cable is preferable and will slightly delay the shifts.........resulting in the sense of additional performance by the driver.
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Old 05-31-2007, 07:08 PM
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A properly running SD doesn't need anymore performance below the onset of boost. It should smartly accelerate at 2000 rpm and easily keep up with most traffic........unless they are racing you. If it doesn't do this, then the ALDA needs to be adjusted for more fuel..........the IP timing needs to be checked...........and the cam timing needs to be verified.

With regard to the second gear start, the SD will do this if the Bowden cable is too slack. Pop the socket off the ball and adjust the cable so that it just snaps onto the ball without any cable slack........in fact.........a bit of tension on the cable is preferable and will slightly delay the shifts.........resulting in the sense of additional performance by the driver.
ALDA last......
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I think some of you guys might have misunderstood me. The 300sd is running very well. I had adjusted the ALDA, to the point where I get some black smoke out the tail pipe when the pedal is floored. Almost all the way, just a few turns back. All the vacuum lines had been cleaned as well as the banjo bolt. I have adjusted the bowden cable, the tranny shifts properly, but like I said, it starts in second gear, unless I push the kick down switch and then its only for a very little bit. If I manually shift the tranny, the acceleration is actually quite well. The 300sd drives just as well as other 300sd's I have driven, if not better than some.
What I want to improve is the off boost characteristics, especially since the tranny likes to shift early and the engine revs low. It takes some amount of time for the turbo to spool.
A boost controller could help spool the turbo quicker since it blocks boost pressure to the wastegate (actuator ) until a set point. lets say that we set it to 12psi, without the boost controller, the wastegate actuator will receive all boost pressure up to 12psi. What happens then is the wastegate slowly starts to open , thus reacing full boost later. but it all depends on the set up. Thats why I asked, maybe some people tried it before. Is it worth it? Thats also why I suggested a modern turbo that spools quicker.
And also any way to get the tranny to start in First gear?, Maybe even raise all the shift points?
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Thats also why I suggested a modern turbo that spools quicker.
VNT turbo (click the link in my signature), it will give your engine all the boost it can handle well below 2000rpm. When the stock turbo would just be starting to kick in, this thing is already at 13psi.
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What I want to improve is the off boost characteristics, especially since the tranny likes to shift early and the engine revs low. It takes some amount of time for the turbo to spool.

And also any way to get the tranny to start in First gear?, Maybe even raise all the shift points?
Asked and answered.......post #5.
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Asked and answered.......post #5.
Yes, I read that. and I replied that I have adjusted the bowden cable, it's tight. Tranny still starts in 2nd gear and shifts pretty early , for me, probably shifts late when compared to spec or other OM617s
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Old 05-31-2007, 11:26 PM
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Yes, I read that. and I replied that I have adjusted the bowden cable, it's tight. Tranny still starts in 2nd gear and shifts pretty early , for me, probably shifts late when compared to spec or other OM617s
If the tranny starts in second gear and shifts late........the Bowden cable has too much slack...........!!!
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WARNING:this is just what ive done to my car, and only a recomendation for yourself!
cone air filter-less turbo lag, noticable
added boost-i increased the boost, deffinatley noticeable
ALDA tweak-noticeable
clean filters-always help
bowden cable- get your baby to shift the way u want it to

Witht these tweaks, i can now smoke tires, no lie. Its no rocket, but its definatley quicker.
The eversooften ITALIAN TUNEUP helps to...
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A boost controller only helps the end of boost, not the beginning.

Have you checked to see that your wastegate closes all the way and is not leaking a little before you get to full boost.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:09 AM
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A boost controller only helps the end of boost, not the beginning.
It helps throughout the range by blocking air to the wastegate until max boost. Without that air, the wastegate will stay closed longer than it otherwise would at the same boost pressures.
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Old 06-02-2007, 02:47 AM
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722.303 trans (yours!) is supposed to start in FIRST gear. There is no valve body "kit" for it. Adjust the trans; Bowden, vacuum, modulator. There's lots of info in the archives.

2nd gear start is only a gasser thing. Our diesels won't get across an intersection before the light changes without first gear start.

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