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I might be inclined to do a compression test, to see if all the cyls are in good order, at 92 K miles, they should be, but who knows...
Im trying to think of something that could cause that kind of pressure in the crank case to force the oil up. When you run the car at idle or in neutral in the driveway can you see the oil comming up into the air filter housing, If you left the oil dipstick out, does oil come out there?
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Theoretically, the air filter should not make a big difference since, unless you have the older style intake with a butterfly valve, there should be virtually no vacuum in the intake. However, if your oil fumes are plugging up the air filter, this will cause vacuum in the intake manifold and suck more and more fumes from the engine back into the engine.
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You got me thinking about something... I remember tightening up the screw clamp that I placed long ago on the upper breather elbow (the one connecting to the top of the valve cover), and this shortly before this problem started occurring. Is it possible that, when the screw clamp was not this tight, some pressure/fumes escaped from there and, now that it is much tighter, that pressure is causing this issue? (the breather hose connects to the manifold intake JUST below the air filter housing...) Perhaps, that's something I should try (loosing up that screw clamp) and see if it fixes things.
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I'll also try loosing that screw clamp - it might just be as simple as that...
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By the way, just in order to test things for a couple of minutes, is it safe to run the engine with the air filter/air filter housing off the manifold intake?
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Yes it is ok to run it for a few minutes with the air filter removed.
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I'll experiment in the early afternoon: breather hose (tube coming from valve cover, or vent hose to use your wording) into plastic bottle, and will take off the whole air filter housing to see if oil sprays up forcefully from the intake manifold (while the vent hose is disconnected from there). That should tell the whole story...
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I concur. If it sprays up, we definitely want live video!
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Very funny
![]() OK, I did that test and from the intake manifold: not one single oil drop from the breather hose (from the valve cover): not one single oil drop from the vac pump hose that goes to air filter: PLENTY OF OIL! So the diagnosis is, according to what was said before, a faulty vac pump diaphragm (and possibly valve checks). Very strange is that the brakes seem to be working fine (maybe they never did, so I wasn't able to tell), and that there was no oil in the vac lines that I checked, and that the hose from pump to air filter looked clear - all of which would point elsewhere than a pump diaphragm failure... Anyways... At this point I have two questions... Where is most advisable to get the vac pump diaphragm (and valve checks?), online or from a local dealer? (if I can save 20 bucks, to me it's all bread from heaven) Even though I looked at the pictures suggested in an earlier post, I still don't feel I understand the correct procedure for operating on the pump... Is there a tutorial somewhere, or can someone explain the procedure step-by-step? Also, are we sure that I won't need to remove the radiator on the 240D in order to work on the pump? (the space between the front of the pump and the radiator, after removing the fan blade and its housing, seems awfully limited to me...) Thanks so much for the invaluable help all of you have been providing!
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Check here with Phil. I think when I bought mine a few months ago, ******** had the best price by quite a bit. Make sure you get the correct parts. There is an early and late vacuum pump. I think you should have the early.
Pull the cover off the pump, it's a simple job. I did it on a 617 without removing the radiator. You should have equal or more room.
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The cover is in the front of the pump, facing the radiator, correct? Could you mention the tools you used? A screwdriver and... what else? Is it advisable that I also replace the valve checks at the same time? Are they as easy to install? Should I get two (I understand two valve checks go to the front and one to the back) or all three? Your specific suggestions are very much appreciated... Thanks...
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Some edits: The two front main vac lines are held in place by a bracket with rubber gromits directly on the the lines. Just like the way the clear line is secured to the air cleaner. OK, the clear line is secured this way in two places, (air cleaner, bracket) . You will need to "pull them off the bracket". Be careful, at this age they are brittle. You don't want to crimp or crack them. Again this is pretty easy. You do not need to remove the two lines from the front plate. If they are off the bracket you should have enough slack to move that unit up and out of the way. Again, be careful. When I say remove the screws in a cross pattern, I mean if you start at the screw in the 1 o'clock position, the next one should be at the 7 o'clock position etc. Just break them free at first, then go around (cross pattern) and take them all out. replace them the same way. I'm sure the 4 banger gives you more room to work than I had. I also like lots o' elbow room so maybe some of the stuff I removed was overkill. (under the hood in general). I would think that at least you will need to remove the fan shroud and PS belt. No exotic tools are needed for this operation, although I may have used vice grips (gently) when seperating the disks from the diaphragm. Hmm, that's all I can think of right now. Between the instructions that come with the kit, my pix, and this thread, you should be able to do it in an hour or two. Good luck!
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just for the record
My brakes, locks and shut off were still working. Eventhough the diaphragm was leaking oil.
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