Why don't you go back to the Open Discussion and post your propaganda there. Last time I checked you ran away after I presented some facts.

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL

I think most of today's car will have trouble in 20-30 years because of all the wiring and electronics and I have no doubt that the old diesels age better. But I was talking specifically about mileage and yes 200K is nothing for many of today's car. Age is a different issue, but most people don't keep their cars that long.

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2004 VW Jetta TDI (manual)

Past MB's: '96 E300D, '83 240D, '82 300D, '87 300D, '87 420SEL

Last time I checked you posted your misinformation about the man-made GW myth here first. I haven't run away from anything, you never replied to me.

Its way more efficient and environmentally friendly to keep old cars repaired and on the road....building a new car takes a VAST amount of energy....something like 10-12,000 gallons of water are used to build one car! Not to mention all the plastic parts (oil) metal (has to be mined, which pollutes massively), computer equipment (very un-environmentally friendly)......the list goes on. Old cars even if less efficient or with dirtier exhaust, are still way better.

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

Thats great, lets bash all the diesels which burn less fuel and could reduce our demand for crude while still letting people drive. Yeah thats great, lets bash a mature technoligy that already exists in every other country but ours that could really help us.

I hate article's like that. The press is mostly air headed nit wits.

An E320CDI that gets excellent mileage, is fast, can seat 5 people and hold a ton of crap, is a horrible car, yeah sure. Buy an H2 or a POS hybrid, yeah sure.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

Prius consumes way more resources than almost all cars, however, they did not test our 'old diesels...but you can interpolate, we have a sense for mechanical things here.
The test heard 'round the world (except for the green crowd, they don't want to hear/see it)
http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

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'01 Escape 2.0 5 speed- 101k
'96 Cherokee 5 speed- 120k
'92 Mercedes 2.5l turbo diesel- 212k
'90 Aerostar ext Cargo 4.0- 29k
'02 ZX2- 93k
'98 F250 CNG- 54k

I saw this excerpt from a ebay guy selling a MB several months ago I like it so I saved it:

MSN Money.
High-tech cars mean high-priced repairs!
When keys can cost hundreds of dollars and headlights thousands, you can bet virtually any repair bill will be a shocker.

MSN Money columnist Liz Pulliam Weston reports.

By Liz Pulliam Weston

My friend Kerry was proud to be on the cutting edge of hybrid technology when he bought a Toyota Prius a few years ago.
He's less proud to be on the cutting edge of hybrid-technology repairs. He just paid a bundle to replace the car's transaxle, part of the vehicle's new-wave continuously variable transmission, which failed just after the warranty expired.
"The dealer initially told me it would be $3,000 just for the labor, and $5,000 for the part. That's 40% of the original base price of the car!"Then there are hybrid technologies. The transmission, batteries and braking systems are costly to replace, and the number of mechanics qualified to work on hybrids is limited. The potential costs aren't lost on consumers: a recent Edmunds.com poll found that 44% of those surveyed were "extremely concerned" hybrids would be expensive to fix.

But the high cost of replacing electronics and other cutting-edge technology is what often sideswipes drivers, car experts say. Big bills from relatively small components also increase the likelihood that an insurer will declare a car totaled after a collision because the damage is too expensive to fix.
And speaking of insurance, expect to pay more for that, too.

"We have all this wonderful technology making cars safer," said Candysse Miller, executive director of the Insurance Information Network of California and a car buff who drives an Audi S4. "But if it's more expensive to repair, it's more expensive to insure."

Insurance rates can also be affected by the fact that certain items -- think xenon headlights and airbags -- are the favorite targets of thieves.

Liz Pulliam Weston's column appears every Monday and Thursday, exclusively on MSN Money.
She also answers reader questions in the Your Money message board

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2000 430 ML
2005 S500
87 300 D
61 300 restoring

Scary stuff....I kinda had assumed that was the case with those cars though. There's just too much space technology under the hood for their own good....makes it worthless if it fails. Like having the main board fail in a middle aged server....its likely going to be entirely replaced rather than just the board....since the price is usually less to replace the whole unit....its like that with the majority of products nowadays though.

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

But your missing one big part of the journey.. you have to find it first

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Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?

As long as they would add one additional commandment for you to keep thy religion to thyself.
George Carlin (Wonder where he is now..)

1981 240d (engine donor 1983 240d) recently rebuilt engine hurray! - No more.. fought a tree and the tree won.

pearl black 1983 240d 4speed (Converted!@$$%) atleast the tranny was rebuilt.

I personally believe in human-induced climate change. But I don't care because If I don't burn it someone else will. They'll eventually run every well dry no matter who thinks their green so I say enjoy your Mercedes diesel while you can and be thankful it can run on used automotive fluids and other future junk liquids.

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1981 300SD 512k OM603

Trying to have a reasonable conversation with a global warming zealot is impossible. The whole man made GW issue has now evolved into a religion that has sucked in many desperate, ill informed people with dubious intentions. ANY fact that is used in the argument by the non believer is scoffed at, and the pitiful non believer is then mocked and bullied into submission. I am sick of it. I don't want to hear a god damn word about the world and pollution and why it's America's problem. All the clueless rabble of the global warming movement can pry their fat asses on to a "green" airplane if they can find one and fly to China, india, Russia, and all the "Stans" and have a *****fest with them. Oh wait, they would be told, "go to Hell, we have a country to run, people to feed, and industry to support and grow, either leave or we will shoot you". Something they need to hear more often. Thanks, I just had to vent. I'm better now..........really.

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Rich B

1983 300D Turbo
205k

Excuses are crutches for the weak

Mine just rolled over to 714k. my friend has one in portland that he bought with 652k.

There is no way that a any car with plastic bumpers will look anything near drive-able in 15-20 years.

I also like how they removed just about every car/truck that is being driven on the road for pleasure/daily driver from their results. how much more can you lock in on Diesels to bash them.

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Grey '91 350SDL 214k Dad's car
Beige '81 240D 4 Speed 254k SOLD
Blue '82 300D 225k SOLD
White '95 E300D 46k SOLD
Blue '87 190D 2.5 Turbo 315k SOLD
Brown '80 240D 4 Speed 716k SOLD
Beige '80 300D N/A 119k SOLD
Blue '85 300D Model 186k T-Boned

Come on people;.. face it; we drive stink pots. I don't apologize for it; my old Hitler era 5 cylinder diesel pollutes like crazy.

But i know in it's entire 28 year life it hasn't polluted as much as one jetliner take off or spewing the heavy metal bunker oil & used oil burned in a ship.
Nothing pollutes like a volcano.
Everything is perception.

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"Our Lady of Blessed Acceleration...
don't Fail Us Now"

That's why people like me eventually run away from the industry. That's the way the press is across the board, including where I work, in sports. Most coverage of major issues is (and sometimes has to be) generic, cursory and crafted with a halfwit audience in mind. Write intelligent, highly scientific articles and 1) you'll never get a publication out because it takes too much time and 2) most of your readers will be too dumb to understand it, will be angered by its level of sophistacion, or angered because it doesn't say what they feel comfortable believing. The mass media is a terrible place for an insightful mind to be trapped.

I would take this article with a grain of salt. People love lists of the "top 10" or "worst 10" anything ... heaven forbid they should sit down and balance out facts and conclude that things such as emissions, value and economy are circumstantial by nature. I don't blame yahoo for publishing an article that readers will lap up. It would have been nice if they'd offered a little bit of alternative perspective, even if parenthetical, but they don't have to ... that isn't their job. If you want to read something intelligent, don't look to yahoo for it. There are countless publications and Web sites that can give you interesting perspective, whether it's on diesels, hybrids, biofuels, etc.

And on a side note, why does this debate always end up mutually exclusive? I.e., "hybrids are crap" or "hybrids are the answer." Isn't it feasible that some people could own hybrids, because they're great in a city-driving environment, and some people could own diesels, because they're ideal in a highway scenario? And maybe if we're lucky some of us wil get the chance to drive diesel-electric hybrids.

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

Yeppers, that pretty much covers it......

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Palangi

2004 C240 Wagon 203.261 Baby Benz
2008 ML320 CDI Highway Cruiser
2006 Toyota Prius, Saving the Planet @ 48 mpg
2000 F-150, Destroying the Planet @ 20 mpg



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