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The centering sleeve is needed if the injection pump will be removed. Mercedes used to leave the centering sleeve in the engine, up through the late 80's. Then they started removing it. Most 1986/87 engines came with the sleeve from the factory, but it may have been removed by a previous owner if the vac pump had ever been replaced in the past. Photos are shown below.
Last edited by whunter; 01-13-2010 at 01:48 PM. Reason: attached pictures |
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Thanks Dave, sounds like leaving it is not preferred. I'll check my spare engine, looks like the original pump.
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Well, one school of thought is that leaving it in place can catch vac pump parts if the pump explodes, and/or offer some protection to the timing device cam. The basket can be left in place if you use the "outline" gasket, but the basket MUST be removed if you use the "dam" gasket.
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Why must the basket be removed if using the "dam" style gasket? I'm a little worried b/c I just replaced my original vacuum pump and did not remove the basket in there.
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Wow, I feel dumb. I do have a little oil wetness underneath the pump. New gasket is already ordered. Thanks.
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Thanks
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Dave: Request for the visual identifier marks
I seem to recall that you once said that the one type-either the old or the new-could be identified by the boltheads on the front of the pump. I cannot remember which was which. And, by the way, do you mean the front as seen in the car-or is that a cover that has to be removed to see the actual front of the pump?
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The original style has a smooth lid, cover, whatever you wish to call it on the front (front of car) side. The later style has the cover bolted on and the bolt heads protrude from the cover/front side.
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Torx-head bolts on the external cover indicate that the pump is likely not original, especially on 1986/87 engines. I am not sure what year the Torx screws appeared in production by Pierburg. However, I believe Aaron confirmed that the early Torx-screwed pumps may still have the "bad" open bearing internally. This doesn't seem to be very common though, most pump with the Torx screws on the front cover also have the improved bearing design. I suspect the first improvement to the pump design was the front cover screws, which helped sealing, and reduced oil leaks. The second improvement was the enclosed bearing. There may be others as well, but those are the two I am aware of.
In general: 1) The presence of four Torx screws on the front cover simply means the pump is not ancient - but if you have never removed it, it would be good to do so and see if the bearing is open or not. If it's the old open-style bearing (with exposed balls), replace the pump ASAP. 2) I believe all pumps without the Torx screws will all have open bearings, and these should likewise be replaced ASAP. 3) The date code stamped into the front cover should tell you the year of manufacture, which can be useful in determining the miles on the pump, if at least some maintenance records are available. 4) Based on my "new style" pump explosion, as detailed in this thread, and also based on the data below... I would recommend proactive replacement of even a new-style pump when it reaches the 150-200kmi range, regardless of age, even if it otherwise appears to be working ok. It's relatively cheap insurance, given the potential for catastrophe when metal parts drop into the timing chain cavity & oil sump at freeway speeds...! Besides, there is precious little evidence that these pumps last much past 200kmi. Here are some interesting data points on the four 1987 300D's in my family:
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Thank you very much for the info
And by the way in reference to one of your other warnings about the absolute need to reinstall/replace the little brackets that separate the fuel lines from the IP to the injector: When that cracked -22 head was replaced last Mar by the dealer, they did not do so. This resulted in 3 leaking fuel lines. Leaking at the points where they rubbed and also the vibration caused a leak where one (#4) attached to the IP.
I do have the records all the way back to when new, and will check the date on the VP cover. I have no records that show it being replaced but it might have been on the factory crate engine that was installed 5 years ago.
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87 300D 265Kmi Factory rebuilt crate 603.96x engine at 200K |
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"Buster" in the '95 Our all-Diesel family 1996 E300D (W210) . .338,000 miles Wife's car 2005 E320 CDI . . 113,000 miles My car Santa Rosa population 176,762 (2022) Total. . . . . . . . . . . . 627,762 "Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz." -- Janis Joplin, October 1, 1970 |
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Dealer replaced the head
I have not had a chance to plead my case regarding the fuel line separation issue-but I intend to do so.
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87 300D 265Kmi Factory rebuilt crate 603.96x engine at 200K |
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Glad that I pursued the VP info
It turns out that the date stamp on the VP is 00T. Based on Dave's info a couple pages back that means that it was manufactured in 2000. It also means that it did come with the factory crate engine which sat in the MB warehouse in Baltimore for an extended period. The reason that I am glad is that my indy found a cracked belt and some tensioner problems when looking for this date stamp.
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87 300D 265Kmi Factory rebuilt crate 603.96x engine at 200K |
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