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Both my W116 (3.07) diff and my W126 (2.47 diff) have vents in the same location on the main casting.
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How many bolts on the lateral (side) covers/bearing housings, on each of the two diffs?
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I forget now, but they both have the same number of bolts. I did check this, at one point, but, alas, I did not write it down. I can say that the W116 diff is marked '116' on these 'covers' and the W126 diff is marked '126' respectively...
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1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013 100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership
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If indeed, they both have eight bolts (which the 126/2.47 diff will have), then both have 210mm ring gears, and are in the same series. Other than the pinion flange, the other areas which may be different are the diameters of the stub axles in the carrier and the side seals. Remove one axle (if installed) from the 2.47 and measure those diameters. To check those diameters of the diff now installed, the rear cover can be removed in the car, a c-clip pulled from one axle, and the axle slid out far enough to measure the corresponding diameters on it.
If the 116 axles have the same diameters as the 126, and for reasons of length you decide to retain the 116 axles, the end play of the stub axles in the diff will have to be re-set. There are selective shim washers that slide over the shaft inboard of the seal surface, that are used to set the end play. The manual says: "No noticeable end play should occur; the locking ring (c-clip) should still rotate in groove." |
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Cool, Frank and thanks for the tip!!!!
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Both have 8 bolt flanges...
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Anyone ever measure the difference between the gas and diesel yokes????
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Here is an application chart of Benz diffs, hope this helps:
Years, Model, Engine, Differential Ratio, Differential Case Size, Ring Gear Size R107 1st Generation mounting 1972-1980, 350 SL/SLC, M116, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1973-1980, 450 SL/SLC, M117, 2.65 / 3.06, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1981-1985, 380 SL, M116, 2.47, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1981-1982, 380SLC, M116, 2.47, 1.3 Liter , 210mm W114 1968-1976, 230, M180, 3.69 / 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1968-1972, 250, M114, 3.69 / 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1972-1976, 250, M130, 3.69 / 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1969-1976, 250C/CE, M130, 3.69 / 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1972-1976, 280/E, M110, 3.69 / 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1972-1976, 280C/CE, M110, 3.69 / 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm W115 1968–1976, 200, M121, 3.92 / 4.08, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1968–1976, 200D, OM615, 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1968–1973, 220, M115, 3.92 / 4.08, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1968–1976, 220D, OM615.941, 3.92, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1973–1976, 230.4, M115, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1973–1976, 240D, OM616.916, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1974–1976, 240D 3.0/300D, OM617.910, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm W116 1973–1980, 280S, M110, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1973–1980, 280SE, M110, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1974–1980, 280SEL, M110, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1973–1980, 350SE, M116, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1973–1980, 350SEL, M116, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1973–1980, 450SE, M117, 3.06 / 3.07, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1973–1980, 450SEL, M117, 2.65 / 3.06 / 3.07, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1975–1980, 450SEL 6.9, M100, 2.65 LSD, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1978–1980, 300SD, OM617.950, 3.07, 1.1 Liter, 185mm W123 1977–1978, 230, M115, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1977–1983, 240D, OM616.912, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1977–1981, 280E, M110, 3.58, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1978–1981, 280CE, M110, 3.58, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1977–1981, 300D, OM617.912, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1978–1981, 300CD, OM617.912, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1979–1980, 300TD, OM617.912, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1981-1984, 300TD, OM617.952, 3.07, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1982-1984, 300D, OM617.952, 3.07, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1982–1984, 300CD, OM617.952, 3.07, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1985, 300TD, OM617.952, 2.88, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1985, 300D, OM617.952, 2.88, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1985, 300CD, OM617.952, 2.88, 1.1 Liter, 185mm Euro Spec 1981-1985, 300TD, OM617.912, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1982-1985, 300D, OM617.912, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1982–1985, 300CD, OM617.912, 3.46, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1978–1985, 240TD, OM616.912, 3.69, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1978–1985, 280TE, M110, 3.58, 1.1 Liter, 185mm W126 1st Generation 1981-1984, 300 SD, OM617.951 3.0L I5, 3.07, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1985, 300 SD, OM617.951 3.0L I5, 2.88, 1.1 Liter, 185mm 1984-1985, 380 SE, M116.963 3.8L V8, 2.47, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1981-1983, 380 SEL, M116.963 3.8L V8, 2.47, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1982-1983, 380 SEC, M116.963 3.8L V8, 2.47, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1984-1985, 500 SE, M117.963 5.0L V8, 2.47, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1984-1985, 500 SEL, M117.963 5.0L V8, 2.47, 1.3 Liter, 210mm 1984-1985, 500 SEC, M117.963 5.0L V8, 2.47 /(Euro) 2.24 LSD/(Euro) 2.47 LSD, 1.3 Liter, 210mm
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Based on this chart, I have this: 1978–1980, 300SD, OM617.950, 3.07, 1.1 Liter, 185mm
And plan to install this: 1984-1985, 500 SE, M117.963 5.0L V8, 2.47, 1.3 Liter, 210mm Yet both have 8 bolt carrier bearing flanges!
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1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013 100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership
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Is there a difference in the width of these two differentials?
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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Not from the outside anyways
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1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013 100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership
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Cleaning it up today.
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1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013 100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership
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W116 Axle Measurements Needed:
My W126 Differential (2.47:1) has slip in, stub-axles with a sealing surface that measues .771” in diameter. Each spider gear has a .115” shim between the gear and the stub axle. The bearing surface of the stub axle, that slips into the spider gear is .260” in diameter. The length of the stub axle extends 2-3/4” above the sealing surface.
Can someone measure these things on a known W116 axle so I can try and figure out where I am???? Thanks….
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1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013 100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership
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I think you are going to be better off measuring what you need yourself - I get the impression that shims are specific to the individual differential; because of manufacturing tollerances you'll need a shim that fits the gap you have won't you?
(Or have I totally misunderstood the question?)
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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The 'cans' on the W116 inner CV joints are much larger than the ones that came out of the W126 differential. Since I drive this daily, I can't really tear it down and measure it.
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1978 300SD 'Phil' - 1,315,853 Miles And Counting - 1, 317,885 as of 12/27/2012 - 1,333,000 as of 05/10/2013, 1,337,850 as of July 15, 2013, 1,339,000 as of August 13, 2013 100,000 miles since June 2005 Overhaul - Sold January 25th, 2014 After 1,344,246 Miles & 20 Years of Ownership
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