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rcounts · #31 04-25-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboSDL

ok so this is what im thinking...i was going to take the turbo off and while im drilling im going to put a big magnet on the other side of where the hole will be and while im drilling the hole i will have my brother hold a shop vac by the drill bit grabbing any metal flake that will be present and then running the vac inside the manifold before i put it back together, what do u guys think?

Way more than adequate...

#32 04-25-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rcounts

In your opinion.

No, in fact. This is no different than the "bubble method" deal, made up by somebody too lazy to take the time to do things right.

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Originally Posted by TurboSDL

what do u guys think?

Take the turbo off. When its off the chances of debris getting into the engine is almost nil. The turbo gasket set costs about $10 and $35 for the entire manifold set.

rcounts · #33 04-25-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

No, in fact. This is no different than the "bubble method" deal, made up by somebody too lazy to take the time to do things right.

Lance, we all know that in your infinite wisdom, you already know all there is to know and that any way of doing anything OTHER than the FSM way is dead wrong.

Please explain, in technical terms, exactly why drilling the manifold with the engine running is risky and/or a bad thing to do. And because that isn't the way some book or instruction sheet says to do it is not a good enough explanation. Neither is the fact that it is an easier, quicker, cheaper or even the "lazy" way to do it. Tell us what is really wrong with finding simpler easier ways to do things.

#34 04-25-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rcounts

Please explain, in technical terms, exactly why drilling the manifold with the engine running is risky and/or a bad thing to do.

Pulling the manifold is the correct way to do the job to ensure no metal is introduced into the engine/exhaust and the hole is drilled/tapped straight.

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Tell us what is really wrong with finding simpler easier ways to do things.

Its very simple...there is a right way and wrong way to do a job.

rcounts · #35 04-27-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

Pulling the manifold is the correct way to do the job to ensure no metal is introduced into the engine/exhaust and the hole is drilled/tapped straight.

Its very simple...there is a right way and wrong way to do a job.

Pretty much what I thought - you can't explain or give any technical reasons why it isn't an acceptable method - it just isn't the "right" way to do it. Just like any timing method OTHER than the FSM "drip" method.

How good the results are doesn't matter, or how much time/effort can be saved (even if it reduces the time & effort to half or less - as would be in this case), it just "isn't right".

With that kind of thinking then NONE of the alternative repair methods that innovative people around here have come up with are acceptable. Things like pool noodle seat repairs, odo repairs using loctite, etc. would all be unacceptable because they aren't written down in an official manual somewhere.

Sure glad you're in such a minority around here.

#36 04-27-2009, 05:21 AM

Blah blah blah blah blah. How about actually contributing something instead of just being combative?

In the books thou mayest read what to do and when, but only the voice of experience may tell thee why and how, else thy reading of what and when shall but plague thee with smoke.

TurboSDL · #37 04-27-2009, 05:25 AM

i said i was going to take the turbo off, i just dont want to take the manifold off because im aftraid of breaking a bolt off as the nuts/ bolts look pretty rusted.

#38 04-27-2009, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TurboSDL

i said i was going to take the turbo off

I know. rcounts just can't seem to understand how easy doing it right actually is.

Tirebiter · #39 04-27-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rcounts

Lance, we all know that in your infinite wisdom, you already know all there is to know and that any way of doing anything OTHER than the FSM way is dead wrong.

Please explain, in technical terms, exactly why drilling the manifold with the engine running is risky and/or a bad thing to do. And because that isn't the way some book or instruction sheet says to do it is not a good enough explanation. Neither is the fact that it is an easier, quicker, cheaper or even the "lazy" way to do it. Tell us what is really wrong with finding simpler easier ways to do things.

Leave the poor guy alone. So what if he is only twenty three years old and has no experience. So what if he hasn’t passed a single ASE test, much less all of them to be a Certified Master, like our moderators. After all, he has over 14,000 posts on this board, except for the Techs Only forum, where it takes proof that you have professional credentials. So what if he misleads people with his opinions.

I think you should believe every word he says…………. Just like I do.

#40 04-27-2009, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tirebiter

So what if he is only twenty three years old and has no experience. So what if he hasn’t passed a single ASE test

Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance.

Clearly you haven't the slightest clue about me, my life or my experiences. I can easily pass several ASE tests and fulfill their experience requirements but I do not attempt the tests because the shop I work at does not provide any benefits or incentives for attaining certification (other than paying for the test itself), I would have to do it for personal gratification alone.

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except for the Techs Only forum, where it takes proof that you have professional credentials.

Thank you for confirmation of your ignorance. If you take the time to read the forum descriptions, you'll see your "Techs Only forum" is nothing more than the g@soline counterpart of this forum. I have no interest in dirty, sloppy g@soline engines which is why I rarely look in that sub-forum, just as there are long-term members in that sub-forum that never come into here for the exact opposite reason.

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So what if he misleads people with his opinions.

Is this your personal motto?

winmutt · #41 04-27-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rcounts

Please explain, in technical terms, exactly why drilling the manifold with the engine running is risky and/or a bad thing to do.

ENGINE RUNNING? While you are in there, I hear pouring a cup of sand into the intake will polish your manifold.

TurboSDL · #42 04-27-2009, 06:32 PM

lets not argue and fight in these forums, its rediculas and seems to always happen in all of the forums i have been in and it takes the focus away from the origional issue at hand...

so do u think i should just pull the manifold along with the turbo or is just pulling the turbo enough while i run the shopvac and put a magnet on the otherside, i figured once the drillbit started to penetrate that i would move the shopvac to the inside of the manifold

toomany MBZ · #43 04-27-2009, 06:37 PM

Can't we all just get along?

#44 04-27-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboSDL

so do u think i should just pull the manifold along with the turbo or is just pulling the turbo enough while i run the shopvac and put a magnet on the otherside, i figured once the drillbit started to penetrate that i would move the shopvac to the inside of the manifold

That would work fine. If you set the magnet inside the manifold it should attract any shavings.

winmutt · #45 04-27-2009, 10:09 PM

I don't see how your gonna get a suitable drill in there. I'd pull it and put it on a press.