If you can get the drill in, you only need to pull the turbo then vacuum.

When I put my turbo setup together I made my exhaust gaskets from brass shim stock (exhaust still holds 40 psi) plus $5 Mercedes gasket on the oil delivery, $5 gasket on the oil drain. YMMV

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$60 OM617 Blank Exhaust Flanges
$110 OM606 Blank Exhaust Flanges
No merc at the moment

Read the whole thread winmutt. We're talking about tapping the exhaust manifold for a pyro thermocouple. Running the engine at idle was suggested as a way of ensuring through positive pressure that all the chips/slivers/filings end up on the outside and don't get sucked into the turbo. As with all things, Lance insists that HE knows better than everyone else and that there is only one way to skin a cat. As usual, I disagree with his condescending know-it-all tone. He hasn't been able to provide any technical reason why it wouldn't work - just that it isn't the "right" way to do it.

Do you have a more technical reason to suggest why doing it this way would not be safe? If so, post up. Otherwise....

BTW, I will most likely pull the turbo off when I install mine. Unless I just decide not to to prove Mr. Know-It-All wrong. I'm sorry, but I just have a hard time with people who take a sef-righteous I'm the only one who knows what is right and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong attitude. Unfortunately, that seems to be Lance's only posture on any and every subject. It gets old - know what I mean?

Anybody who's been around the block a time or two knows there is more than one way to do almost any job, and saying - self righteously - that doing things an easier way simply means that others are lazy or incompetent (compared to yourself) just rubs me the wrong way.

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

The truth finally comes out. You don't have a problem with doing the job right, you have a problem with ME telling somebody how to do the job right and you're just being argumentative or, possibly, jealous. You're acting like nothing more than a child intentionally disobeying a parent just to be spiteful.

You're more than welcome to stay out of it and ignore my posts.
In fact, I'll make it very easy for you so this forum can be a better place without your useless and pointless arguing. Click here: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=11901

That ignore list trick works both ways pard, and feel free to add me to yours.

You're partially right about one thing Lance. The biggest problem I have is with you and your attitude. Whenever someone suggests something you disagree with you immediately begin making condescending statements.

Funny thing is you have the exact same kind of run-ins with multiple people - including moderators. Try reading the thread from the last time you got banned. On the other hand I have never been banned or even received an infraction. Generally, I only seem to have these conflicts with one person - you. What does that say?

The very thought of me (as the child) "disobeying" you (as a parent figure) is too ludicrous for words. Don't flatter yourself. Yes, I initially planned on taking the turbo off. But certainly not the whole manifold - as you initially suggested was the only "right" way to do it. This thread got me to thinking about whether there might not be an easier way. The collective knowledge here came up with a couple of suggestions of easier ways. See, I have a life, so finding ways to do things simpler and with less time investment is something I'm interested in. So, I'm seriously considering the alternatives, and the fact that doing it a different way would save time and effort - AND prove you wrong (again) at the same time would just be a bonus.

BUT N-O-O-O! We can't even discuss finding easier more efficient ways to do things - we all have to do it Lance's way - either that or listen to him harangue us about how lazy and "wrong" we all are - because Lance knows everything and knows it better than everyone else put together!

Think about the way you come across man. I know it is pointless to even suggest that, since so many others have already done so many, MANY, MANY times, but I figure if you hear it enough times, maybe someday the message will get through...

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

ya thats what i was going to do. i cant wait til i have some time to do it.

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1985 mercedes benz 300D turbo diesel
1998 VW GTI VR6
1996 VW GTI 2.0
1999 saab 9-3 turbo
1987 300sdl (sold)

I don't ignore anybody.

You have it all figured out in your head and you've made your final decision so please save us the trouble and go cry someplace else. There are more important things to do here, like helping people do jobs right, than arguing with stubborn, spiteful, argumentative and combative people like you.

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Cool, then accept that there is more than one way to do almost anything and while there may be a BEST way, other alternatives aren't necessarily wrong, or lazy, or whatever.

Present your OPINIONS as just that - your opinion on what YOU feel is the best way - instead of coming off with the self-righteous "my way is the only right way" and stop telling everyone they are lazy and wrong when they suggest labor or time-saving ways of doing things.

Then we'll get along just fine - and you'll probably find that you get along with a lot of other people a lot better too.

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1984 300 Coupe TurboDiesel
Silver blue paint over navy blue interior
2nd owner & 2nd engine in an otherwise
99% original unmolested car
~210k miles on the clock

1986 Ford F250 4x4 Supercab
Charcoal & blue two tone paint over burgundy interior
Banks turbo, DRW, ZF-5 & SMF conversion
152k on the clock - actual mileage unknown

I have never said otherwise.

I have, I presented my opinion agreeing with the established way of doing the job correctly.

Stop whining and there won't be a problem. If you know of a better way to do the job that isn't a just a shortcut and doesn't compromise the integrity of the engine then please inform us.

If you want to do it the lazy/easy/shortcut/compromised way then feel free to do so. I'm not your daddy and I don't really care what happens to your or anyone else's vehicle, I'm only here trying to help people help themselves. So go run your engine and drill the hole, but spare us the retaliatory tantrum if you ruin the turbo or the shavings cause your resonator to rust from the inside out.

I agree.

And let's leave it at that.