10% in ur furnace no modifications necessary and if you clean your own furnace you save even more.

10% in a heated or unheated tank makes no difference to the diesels I have run it in...

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86 190D 420k and counting

Thank you to all those who have sent me kind messages of support concerning the site Idiot.

Dear Eric,
I am more than happy to provide a copy of my original degree to one of the site moderators.

You could always ask them to request it from me.
They could also Google my name and find out a little about me. there are plenty of pages listed especially about another interest of mine, canoeing.

Given your caustic behavior of late, maybe best that you return from the recreation room to your cell for a while.

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1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

Thats a key point. ever wonder why wo furnaces need such frequent carbon cleaning?

That isn't proof to anyone. If you're so terrified that I'll steal your identity if you show it directly to me, what makes getting it through a moderator less scary to you?

And your name is......layback40?

Ah, so being an expert in canoes makes you an expert in Diesel engine operation? Gotcha. What year do you graduate?

To the site idiot,
I have told you my graduation year previously. It was before you were born.
Again I see that you provide no details about your education. It is clear you dont have one. You would see that I often refer to reference books relevant to my past education.
The loco work you mention in your profile, I assume is some community project for the long term unemployed.
If you had any credentials at all, you would mention them.
It is clear that your liar & 400 lb kid references may be more appropriate to you !!!

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I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

An open letter to yourself, how cute!

Text is pointless, I can say anything and you wouldn't believe it any more than I believe you.

I've been on here more than 3 years, my credentials are known. You're the noobie. Step up.

what do you think is worse?

running ULSD and wearing your IP out... or....

running some properly filtered and proportioned (1 micron filtered plus centrifuged) WMO?


it is a different engine but i have a bosch VE pump powered cummins 6bt dodge (1991) and i often pick up junk cars plus my side work of buying and selling cars. i am always finding random quarts of PS fluid, ATF and motor oil. i dump PS and ATF in my tank. i have been doing this for 2+ years with no problems. i often see a minimal fuel milage increase.

in diesel power magazine a guy is running 80% ATF in his duramax chevy diesel. has been doing so for over a year and has had no problems. his injection system would be far more sensitive then our old school mechanical pumps.

diesel power also did a test about adding 2stroke oil as a IP lubricant . they say a small MPG increase but they did run small amounts.

there is also talk about new ATF and the additives in it not burning off. thats why i try to run 2stoke oil in my smaller diesels (vw, benz)

i don't understand how people can bash on WMO but preach about WVO. they both have their own advantages and drawbacks. personally id rather run WMO then WVO or SVO. that stuff is too thick and takes too much time hunting for, filtering and processing. Plus setting up your car with warmers, extra tanks, fuel lines, injector line warmers. starting on diesel, purging with diesel before shut down. what about people changing injectors/nozzles to run it?


the fact is the diesel engine was created to run on almost anything but traditional gasoline. the first engines were running on crude oil, motor oil, peanut oil. rudolf diesels very first engine ran on coal dust! it was a failure but it did run... sort of!

im just a 24 year old kid so dont bash on me too hard! and im new here

we all (should) know wmo is far worse, both for the engine AND the environment.

this is because you're not accounting for the added volume of random crap you're polluting your tank with.

nobody said every diesel owner has a brain.

i'm sorry if your time is not worth the environment's health. yet you have time to 1micron filter and centrifuge oil?

false. Mercedes did not make any of these engines to run on anything but diesel.

NO SPRK,

Like me, you will soon find that some on here like to express opinions that have little technical basis. Some one who works as a laborer in a transport yard suddenly becomes an expert on diesel theory & machine design.

I have used waste ATF, filtered & blended with diesel (50/50) in a number of motors, including a 633 cat scraper & a 300d. We would use it all the time but cant get enough of it to make it worth while.

I have seen too many very sick motors that have been run on WVO to bother with it.
We use some WVO in our wood heaters at home here in the winter. It blocks the chimney and requires a very hot wood fire to clean it.
We used to run an oil heater on diesel but it became uneconomic compared to wood that we have plenty of.

If some one wants to use WMO in their motor, one can argue that it was in the lubricating system just before you changed the oil, probably some was getting into the combustion chamber any way, so what is the big deal?

I have an old oil engine, probably 80 years old, I have put pics of it in another post, it has exactly the same type of injector as a perkins (CAV), it has run on WMO for more hours than you have been alive! ( no insult meant to you). It still starts & runs fine.
I have run it a little on WVO but I am concerned with the potential for varnishing. WVO is quite a different type of organic chemical to diesel or WMO. that is, a triglyceride (WVO), rather than a hydrocarbon (both WMO & diesel).
If you closely examine the ASME tests for engine oil, the low ash requirements tend to debunk much of the comments on here about residues after burning WMO.

I am sure the arm chair experts will try and disagree with much of this but that's their choice.

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I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

Well, I heard some time ago that dumping a quart or two of used diesel engine lube oil into a tank of red fuel would dye the fuel black and allow you to pass the dip test. I don't know how that affects the health of the engine, but it might save you a large fine.

Disclaimer: Do not do this. Running red fuel on the highway is highly illegal. For legal reasons, I cannot condone illegal behavior.

Edit: It is entirely legal (at least in my area) to use waste motor oil in a drip heater to heat your shop or home. I worked at a place that did this. It saved the company some money, kept the shops warm, and eliminated the need to dispose of waste oil. I can and do encourage this behavior.

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88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.

okay id like to know what you use in your fuel to keep the IP lubricated.

i dont think 1-2 quarts added to a 30 gallon tank is going to add enough fuel

im sorry but some people experiment. if he has been doing it for over a year and if i remember correctly he was putting alot of miles on his truck you think something would of broke already?

i didnt say it was good for the environment. also a big percent of WMO is already used as fuel. sorry but filtering and centrifuging WMO is alot easier and cheaper then running WVO.

true but mercedes didnt make the diesel engine. its a diesel design. they didnt make their own style of engine.

yeah when i bought my 240d it had red diesel in it. i found out when i was changing the fuel lines and running diesel purge. i sucked all the fuel i could out and filled it up. in CA i think its a $1000-1500 fine. me and some friends were driving south in his new dodge cummins and got pulled over for a dye test. never happened to me in my dodge and i put alot of highway miles on her

Skippy,
With a name like that, you should be down here in Australia!!
They gave up adding dye to off road fuel here years ago. If some one gets caught, its a BIG fine.

Much of the WMO down here is collected and then refined and sold as marine & industrial diesel fuel, not for road use.

NO SPRK,
There is an old saying, "avoid getting into an argument with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

By the way, welcome to the forum, I hope you enjoy it. The moderators are very smart people with a lifetime of experience and expertise. It is well worth reading their comments on any topic.

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I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

you have posted frequently enough that I'm sure he already knows this.

ah, the environment and the air you breathe isn't a big deal?

and this has what to do with a company and engines that have zero relation?

not in the least. low ash is meant to compensate foe the minute amount that makes its way past the cylinder rigs and crankcase vent system, not burned in large doses as fuel.

Diesel.

in engines and heaters designed to burn it cleanly.

incorrect. the first diesel has nothing in common with our engines except the combustion concept and a reciprocating piston layout.

Once youre gone that problem will be over.

HA! Joke of the day right there!

Eric,
Do you still work at the Swift Terminal ?

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Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club group

I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

not true. the engine is still a "standard" diesel engine. its a IDI engine just like a vw 1.5-1.9 idi. like a IH 6.9-7.3 IDI engine. still the same set up. the IP's may be different and the compression ratio may be off some but its still a diesel engine.

my cummins FSM says i can run kerosene and (forgot exactly) some kind of jet fuel in my engine. now my cummins is a DI engine but still a standard diesel