HOLY!!! I got pulled over in NC to dip my tank! - Page 8 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

jonbobshinigin · #**106** 08-06-2010, 01:28 AM

Here are a couple local examples:

http://www.ocala.com/article/20080723/NEWS/306035810
http://www.ocala.com/article/20091216/ARTICLES/912161011

vwbuge · #**107** 08-06-2010, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jonbobshinigin

I do not have a Permit to carry, but mine is always in my glove box holstered, if I get pulled I put it under passenger seat since my papers are in there. None of my firearms are registered to me.

A friend got pulled once and when the officer saw his Carry Permit, he backed up and put his hand on his pistol. Illogical. The guy willingly pulls over, legally has a right to carry, and that happens. I do however understand caution.

So, you DON'T have a carry permit AND NONE of you firearms are registered to you?

FinnJohn · #**108** 08-06-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

lol, this thread is funny. Whats the reason vstech is carrying a chambered handgun? Is it job related or choice related?

You guys are forgetting the order of things the cop did. I doubt at all that the cop pulled the car over because it was a diesel. Maybe it was a wisp of smoke, or slightly louder, or something about the car that attracted his attention. Ive been pulled over because the cop noticed I had a low tire for petes sake.
He approaches the car, the driver stares at him all the way up to the window as vstech stated, then turns out to be carrying a loaded handgun!
Yes, he has a permit, but now the cop is interested.

If I were the cop, I would certainly have done the same thing, taken the gun, run the numbers.

Maybe in the cop car as he checks out the gun, he also runs the plates and then he then notices its a diesel, so decides since he's there hes gonna dip the tank. I think the wild card here is the handgun, that made the whole thing change from routine stop for one reason or another to a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. I bet you that the handgun specifically made the cop think about looking harder at the car, not the cop pulled him over because it was a diesel.

I find nothing exceptional about this situation, If I owned a gun, and carried it like that, I would expect it to be run by the police, and vstech did the right thing by immediately stating he had one in the car and that it was loaded.

(yes yes, and all you pro handgun people calm down, there is no disputing that an armed motorist represents a potential danger to the police officer and other people. With that fact, he has every right in the world to run the handgun serial number.)

I think the problem here is the probable cause. At least in my state, cops need some reason to pull you over other than "your car burns diesel" (or, more obviously, "you're Hispanic and the clerk at the 7-11 said the guy who robbed him might have been Hispanic") and it sounds like this cop had none of that. Just a random dip stop. Once the stop is initiated, it's actually the cop's job to make sure everything's OK by running the gun, taking a visual of your vehicle, discreetly sniffing your breath while you're talking, etc. So nothing wrong with running the gun. It's the "I pulled you over for nothing" part of this scenario that's un-American.

Oldwolf · #**109** 08-06-2010, 11:00 AM

Boy, this thread is interesting. I am most definitely a firearm enthusiast and support the RTKABA and the 2A but I don't see us ever being Nationalistic enough to require ownership like Switzerland. Face it, Nationalism, even to a small degree, is not PC these days anyway. I also think getting a CC permit is too easy and inexpensive here in NC. I see a lot of people getting them at the range who obviously know very little about guns and look to be unfamiliar with handling weapons. Going OT here but it also bugs me that non citizens can buy a gun. I don't understand the logic of that, but maybe someone can explain it to me.

FinnJohn · #**110** 08-06-2010, 11:00 AM

I hate where this is going. Being a cop is a great job -- 40k, great benefits -- lots of people sign up for that reason. Lots more are ex-military (usually MPs) and it's what they're good at, so they do it. A huge slice of the cop cadre gets into it because they don't have the connections to get on with the local fire department, and the P.D. is the only way they can get into the First Responder business and be a "hero."

No, I'm not a cop. I'm an old newspaper hack who's written hundreds of stories about cops and courts and crime. I've known at least five dozen cops and of the lot, I can think of six who were in it for the wrong reasons. The thing is, though, those six cast a helluva long shadow over the others. One's in prison right now (kiddie porn), one was fired after being caught giving DUII tickets to stone-sober people, one (small-town police chief) lit his ex-wife's car on fire and blamed "gangs," and three are still on the streets.

Oh, wait, there's a seventh Bad Cop. Was at Ground Zero on Sept. 11, 2001, went on a speaking tour to tell high-school kids about his experience, took one of them to bed. I think he's still on the job.

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Originally Posted by okyoureabeast

That's the video Fulcrum! In fact this is a full length video. The one I saw is in two parts.

Either way watch it. This among other reasons is why I am really distrustful of police.

vstech · #**111** 08-06-2010, 11:32 AM

heh, of all the posts I've started, this one seems to be the one with the most replies!
most with a problem against guns only see the bad that a gun can do.
the most important deterrent a CCP gives is that the CRIMINAL does not know if you are carrying or not.
that FEAR alone keeps a lot of crimes from ever happening.
one CCP member made the news a few years back, not long after the Virginia Tech massacre a shopping mall got a nut job shooting customers and all the security gaurds could do nothing but shine the flashlights at the guy... a CCP carrier drew a bead on the nut and took him down.
THAT made the news. the mayor gave the WOMAN CCP member a medal and a key to the city I think.
if more legal citizens carried, there would be fewer crimes.

okyoureabeast · #**112** 08-06-2010, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FinnJohn

I hate where this is going. Being a cop is a great job -- 40k, great benefits -- lots of people sign up for that reason. Lots more are ex-military (usually MPs) and it's what they're good at, so they do it. A huge slice of the cop cadre gets into it because they don't have the connections to get on with the local fire department, and the P.D. is the only way they can get into the First Responder business and be a "hero."

No, I'm not a cop. I'm an old newspaper hack who's written hundreds of stories about cops and courts and crime. I've known at least five dozen cops and of the lot, I can think of six who were in it for the wrong reasons. The thing is, though, those six cast a helluva long shadow over the others. One's in prison right now (kiddie porn), one was fired after being caught giving DUII tickets to stone-sober people, one (small-town police chief) lit his ex-wife's car on fire and blamed "gangs," and three are still on the streets.

Oh, wait, there's a seventh Bad Cop. Was at Ground Zero on Sept. 11, 2001, went on a speaking tour to tell high-school kids about his experience, took one of them to bed. I think he's still on the job.

You're right about cops having great job perks. Which is the prime reason it attracts the wrong people with the wrong attitudes. Ex-military, people with Napoleon complexes, etc. As long as they have an undying need to appeal to a higher authority without common sense they're still a threat to our freedoms.

When a cop is on a "I want to be a hero" binge and you get sucked up into an investigation or pulled over for drunk driving for a "he changed lanes too early" excuse that's your own time wasted.

Worse being you having to "defend" yourself in court. Between court fees ,lawyers, and your own work time wasted for having that day in court to prove you're not guilty, you've wasted a ton of money that you will never get back. I don't know about you, but I would be financially devastated if I had to do that.

Among that, there have been more and more reports of ego riding cops lately coming out of my own town and around the country that it only pays not to trust them. If they're around walk away. No good can come from their presence or even talking to them.

Watch that video and exercise your rights. The last thing any of us want to do is spend thousands of dollars defending against a bogus accusation.

#**113** 08-06-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FinnJohn

I hate where this is going. Being a cop is a great job -- 40k, great benefits -- lots of people sign up for that reason. Lots more are ex-military (usually MPs) and it's what they're good at, so they do it. A huge slice of the cop cadre gets into it because they don't have the connections to get on with the local fire department, and the P.D. is the only way they can get into the First Responder business and be a "hero."

Well, it's a "great job" only if you want to be in the "First Responder business." My wife has better pay and benefits for answering a phone all day, and no one shoots at her. The same personality attributes that make someone want this type of job are part of the problem.

IMO, you need to remember who you are dealing with when you encounter these guys and operate at their level (they are probably not capable of operating at your level). You may not be dealing with the sharpest tool in the shed, these guys need to maintain their authority because that's their only advantage in most situations. They are trained to maintain the upper hand by "intimidation," so let them stay in character and play the game. If you push them out of their little comfort zone, they will probably push back and you will end up wasting your time. Somebody has to do the job, just be glad it isn't you and move on with your life.

smitherz · #**114** 08-06-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mgburg

After reading these posts, I'm wondering how hard it would be today to purchase and wire in a few pin-hole cameras and feed them to a small, card-style recorder? Have it "tucked" into a small, reachable area under the dash and have the cameras hidden so that under normal circumstances, they're not noticeable?

I may have an upcoming project or three...

With respect to the cameras... there are several states where this would get you arrested for eavesdropping. Maryland comes to mind since it has been in the news recently.

martureo · #**115** 08-06-2010, 01:49 PM

Mmburg: My father was in the Bureau for twenty something years, he was a city cop for 9 years before that. I remember growing up that he was required to have his weapon a reasonable distance from him at all times, even when we went to the beach. So whenever we got pulled over he would present his DL, and the would flash his creds while saying "and I am armed."

I completely agree with letting the cop know upfront that you are armed, it makes it much easier on them knowing that you are. Those that wait and have the cop ask are going to have a harder time connecting/communicating nicely with the cop. (with the caveat that the cop isn't a jerk)

Craig: You're an idiot. The last thing you should do while holding a clearance of any type is say "I have a clearance." Use the knowledge of holding a clearance anytime, but stating that you do is just stupid. Hopefully social engineers haven't spotted you yet, it seems like you'd provide quite an easy target.

mikemover · #**116** 08-06-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FinnJohn

I think the problem here is the probable cause. At least in my state, cops need some reason to pull you over other than "your car burns diesel" (or, more obviously, "you're Hispanic and the clerk at the 7-11 said the guy who robbed him might have been Hispanic") and it sounds like this cop had none of that. Just a random dip stop. Once the stop is initiated, it's actually the cop's job to make sure everything's OK by running the gun, taking a visual of your vehicle, discreetly sniffing your breath while you're talking, etc. So nothing wrong with running the gun. It's the "I pulled you over for nothing" part of this scenario that's un-American.

Exactly.

"You're driving a diesel" is NOT a defensible, justifiable cause for pulling someone over and hassling them.

Civil rights were violated, for sure. Is it worth going to court over and raising a big stink?... Probably not.

But it's still BS.

mach0415 · #**117** 08-06-2010, 02:08 PM

Hey vstech. This guy just wanted to be an *sshole. I live in Lawndale and drive 85 quite a bit, so business might have been slow that day. I wonder what he would have done id someone took the turbo diesel and 300sd emblems off? There would have been no reasonable cause to pull you over, unless he new that all early W126's were diesels. I have been in traffic stops before and declared my conceal carry permit, but the officer (trooper) never asked to see my weapon. Rookie maybe? Its good to hear that Bio and WVO is protected in NC.

badgator · #**118** 08-06-2010, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

well, the cop said I was doing nothing wrong, not speeding or anything, he just pulled me over because they are instigating a new program to pull randomly all diesels on the road. he had the thin clear straw dropped it in the tank, and pulled out a sample. he asked me where I had gotten my fuel last, and luckily, I had just filled up that morning on the way to troy, and had burned about 1/2 of it on the way back, and was less than 1 mile from the station I had filled up at. heh. I also wondered what Yellow bioD would have registered as, and if I was running WVO, he would never have known it because he did not ask to look in my trunk or if I was running alternate fuels.
the NC senate passed a law to not require taxes on wvo/personal bioD as long as it's not for business use. I'd not qualify for that loophole, but driving the benz the cop would not know to check my mileage or anything.

Wow.. I did nothing wrong, no lights out, "he just pulled me over because they are instigating a new program to pull randomly all diesels on the road" what BS, I would have jumped on that one, requested a state statute # and REFUSED to comply.

How did this Thread turned into a gun / cop issue.

I actually made 2x 5 led license light "bulbs" so I wouldn't get f*ed with last year.

Oldwolf · #**119** 08-06-2010, 02:31 PM

So you guys in states other than NC don't ever have random road blocks where the troopers check all license and registration cards? It happens here, usually on side roads, and not very often.

badgator · #**120** 08-06-2010, 02:33 PM

This guy killed a man, then invaded the WRONG home.

Kharma I guess.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-07-02/news/os-lk-clermont-homicide-solved-20100702_1_home-invasion-clermont-police-david-butler

At the time of his death, Butler, who sported a tattoo on his right arm that read "Only God can judge me,"

God judged him, and he was found lacking.