Originally Posted by okyoureabeast

You're right about cops having great job perks. Which is the prime reason it attracts the wrong people with the wrong attitudes. Ex-military, people with Napoleon complexes, etc. As long as they have an undying need to appeal to a higher authority without common sense they're still a threat to our freedoms.


Among that, there have been more and more reports of ego riding cops lately coming out of my own town and around the country that it only pays not to trust them. If they're around walk away. No good can come from their presence or even talking to them.

Originally Posted by smitherz

With respect to the cameras... there are several states where this would get you arrested for eavesdropping. Maryland comes to mind since it has been in the news recently.

Originally Posted by winmutt

Bull****. The cops dont have to tell you they are recording you and they clearly are. Once one party is aware of taping the other party has no responsibility to inform other party that they too are recording. If you are referring to the incidents where the reporter was put in jail for filming cops, watch that go to the supreme coart and MD get a big ole smack down. Freedom of the press triumphs bull**** war on terrorism excuses.

Originally Posted by martureo

Craig: You're an idiot. The last thing you should do while holding a clearance of any type is say "I have a clearance." Use the knowledge of holding a clearance anytime, but stating that you do is just stupid. Hopefully social engineers haven't spotted you yet, it seems like you'd provide quite an easy target.

Originally Posted by vwbuge

So, you DON'T have a carry permit AND NONE of you firearms are registered to you?

Originally Posted by dropnosky

lol, this thread is funny. Whats the reason vstech is carrying a chambered handgun? Is it job related or choice related?

You guys are forgetting the order of things the cop did. I doubt at all that the cop pulled the car over because it was a diesel. Maybe it was a wisp of smoke, or slightly louder, or something about the car that attracted his attention. Ive been pulled over because the cop noticed I had a low tire for petes sake.
He approaches the car, the driver stares at him all the way up to the window as vstech stated, then turns out to be carrying a loaded handgun!
Yes, he has a permit, but now the cop is interested.

If I were the cop, I would certainly have done the same thing, taken the gun, run the numbers.

Maybe in the cop car as he checks out the gun, he also runs the plates and then he then notices its a diesel, so decides since he's there hes gonna dip the tank. I think the wild card here is the handgun, that made the whole thing change from routine stop for one reason or another to a potentially dangerous situation for the cop. I bet you that the handgun specifically made the cop think about looking harder at the car, not the cop pulled him over because it was a diesel.

I find nothing exceptional about this situation, If I owned a gun, and carried it like that, I would expect it to be run by the police, and vstech did the right thing by immediately stating he had one in the car and that it was loaded.

(yes yes, and all you pro handgun people calm down, there is no disputing that an armed motorist represents a potential danger to the police officer and other people. With that fact, he has every right in the world to run the handgun serial number.)

Originally Posted by Craig

I don't know if it's available someplace or not, I've never looked. There probably isn't a market, because any serious off-road equipment uses diesel. I don't think I'll be putting much effort into recovering my $2/year and I'm not old enough to own a snow blower.

Aside from that, anyone who is evading taxes by using illegal fuel is certainly a sleaze-ball, and should be fined severely.

Originally Posted by Oldwolf

So you guys in states other than NC don't ever have random road blocks where the troopers check all license and registration cards? It happens here, usually on side roads, and not very often.

Originally Posted by freesoul

What is your reason to exercise your right to free speech?

Criminals are a potential danger, law abiding citizens are not. Being armed does not make one dangerous, if it did then the police are the most dangerous of all folks.

Depending on what state you live in, cops do not have an automatic right to run serial numbers. In fact in PA there is no handgun registry and you are not required to inform when you are carrying.

To get back on track, I refuse all searches. If they have RAS that a crime is being committed then they won't ask they will demand. Why anyone would willingly waive their protected freedoms to me shows ignorance.

www.flexyourrights.com

Originally Posted by dropnosky

Its amazing how different the laws are state to state. Had a friend, one of those who should never own a gun, who drove through MA which has some pretty decent gun laws, picked up two WW2 russian rifles with bayonets up in NH, and headed back. I was upset that it was so easy for him to get his hands on a pair of rifles, they cost him together less than 100 bucks and he was constantly playing with them out his window and such.


In relation to the potentially dangerous comment, what I meant above was this-

There is no way for the cop to know if you are a law abiding citizen or not based on walking up to the car. I understand that being armed does not necessarily make you dangerous, but it would be foolish of the cop to assume that was the case.
When I say potentially dangerous, I mean that the fact that you have a longer range weapon makes you more of a threat than lets say if I charged out of the car with a pair of forks. That would be less potentially dangerous than if I had a loaded firearm with me, I would be very cautious of anyone armed in the car if I were a cop.

Originally Posted by dropnosky

happens all the time where I am for safety inspections and such, they just peer at your sticker as you roll by slowly, and point to the shoulder if you are non compliant.

I have been pulled over a couple times at these roadblocks though because the cops can't see the seatbelt where it starts low on the 123 and I am wearing a dark shirt. Funny to have them run up, ask about the seatbelt, see me wearing it, and sheepishly tell me to move on.

Originally Posted by freesoul

You are probably not aware that within a 7 ft radius that a knife or other pointed object is just as deadly as a gun.

Originally Posted by freesoul

You should be very afraid of police then because they carry weapons. You are probably not aware that within a 7 ft radius that a knife or other pointed object is just as deadly as a gun.

Why should your friend never own a gun? Is he a prohibited person, or do you just 'feel' that he shouldnt have one? If it is the first thing then you should have reported him to authorities, if it is your feeling then you should be aware we live in America where we have Constitutionally protected rights that can only be denied for just cause (based on previous action) and not based on what someone 'feels'

I believe that police need probable cause to dip your tank unless you are running a commercial vehicle.

Originally Posted by dropnosky

I have been pulled over a couple times at these roadblocks though because the cops can't see the seatbelt where it starts low on the 123 and I am wearing a dark shirt. Funny to have them run up, ask about the seatbelt, see me wearing it, and sheepishly tell me to move on.