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Old 12-29-2012, 08:13 AM
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I've looked and can't seem to find cylinder head info. 1982 300td

Ok so I have an 82 300td with a bad engine, and I bought a sedan motor that I need to put the wagon head on for the SLS pump.

I would like to know if I can get the cam gear through the timing chain hole in the head so I don't have to mess with taking the chain loose.

Or how I can do this "fairly" easily.

I'm new to these motors so any help would be appreciated. thanks

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Old 12-29-2012, 08:38 AM
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when the cam nut is off, just push the cam back. the gear AND THE WASHER will drop into the head. be sure to wire tie the chain to the gear in several places. BUT PAY ATTENTION TO THE WASHER! DO NOT DROP IT INTO THE HEAD!!!
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:41 AM
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when the cam nut is off, just push the cam back. the gear AND THE WASHER will drop into the head. be sure to wire tie the chain to the gear in several places. BUT PAY ATTENTION TO THE WASHER! DO NOT DROP IT INTO THE HEAD!!!
Awesome. So I don't have to mess with the chain I can do this and pull the head. Then drop this head on the sedan motor?
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:38 AM
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From the pic I've seen the cam gear will not fit through the head.

So I guess I have to mark the chain on the cam gear and take the gear off and drop the chain through the head.
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Just mark the chain and cam sprocket with some paint for a getting back together party. Make sure the cam position on the replacement head is at the same place as the old one on the engine before putting the replacement head back on is more important. Cam marks line up on the original head before pulling it and simular position on the complete original head before it is installed.

You cannot rotate the cam into position on a fully loaded installed head after it is bolted down without disabiling the valve train first. The chain will remain timed on the crank sprocket that has a tang underneath it so the chain cannot drop off and the injection pump sprocket timing tends to not be effected either.

Getting it all clear in your head before doing it is the best.That way it is not hard and you get no suprises. You may already be well aware of this but just in case. It is not hard at all if you think it through.
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Just mark the chain and cam sprocket with some paint for a getting back together party. Make sure the cam position on the replacement head is at the same place as the old one on the engine before putting the replacement head back on is more important. Cam marks line up on the original head before pulling it and simular position on the complete original head before it is installed.

You cannot rotate the cam into position on a fully loaded installed head after it is bolted down without disabiling the valve train first. The chain will remain timed on the crank sprocket that has a tang underneath it so the chain cannot drop off and the injection pump sprocket timing tends to not be effected either.

Getting it all clear in your head before doing it is the best.That way it is not hard and you get no suprises. You may already be well aware of this but just in case. It is not hard at all if you think it through.
Yeah I know it's not that hard, but I'm doing this blind. I don't have a FSM as of right now and finding info on the net is proving to be very trying and time consuming.

I just want to make sure I have my ducks in line before I take the head off and screw things up.

I have everything ready now. I just need to take the head bolts our of the donor head. Then on to taking the head off the good motor.

Thanks for the help guys.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:36 PM
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strongly suggest

I strongly suggest you find Chad300tdt thread on his wagon head replacement project that he just completed. In addition, you might want to contact Roy after you've read Chad's thread.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:46 PM
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I strongly suggest you find Chad300tdt thread on his wagon head replacement project that he just completed. In addition, you might want to contact Roy after you've read Chad's thread.
Great information, and a successful repair.
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Here is some info that may help.

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Great information, and a successful repair.
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Awesome info.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:38 PM
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and if all else fails, ask --- most everything has been fixed a few times on the forum!!!!
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:07 PM
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Two head bolts stripped the torks ends out.

I'm done with this, I'm just going to buy a new power steering pump/SLS pump combo and put it on the good sedan motor. I don't want any problems with taking the good motor apart like the bad one.

Thanks again for the help guys.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:08 PM
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need to blow out the head bolt holes and tap the driver in fully to prevent stripping. You could cut/grind the heads off to pull the head.
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:14 PM
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Two head bolts stripped the torks ends out.

I'm done with this, I'm just going to buy a new power steering pump/SLS pump combo and put it on the good sedan motor. I don't want any problems with taking the good motor apart like the bad one.

Thanks again for the help guys.
sears or snap-on/mac tools will have an external easy out socket set that will remove the stripped bolts with ease. just hammer the socket onto the round head, and remove the bolt. this will be difficult on the bolts that are inside the cam towers, but it's doable...
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1987 190D 2.5Turbo
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1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:15 PM
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need to blow out the head bolt holes and tap the driver in fully to prevent stripping. You could cut/grind the heads off to pull the head.
I did that to all of them before I tried to take them out. It didn't work. 360+K miles on the old engine.

I don't want the same problems with the good motor so I'm going with one of these.

Mercedes 300TE 300TD Wagon SLS Suspension Steering Pump 1987 1993 M103 OM603 | eBay

I'm still going to cut the heads off the bolts and check out why cyl#3 only had 90psi of compression.

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