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Old 05-21-2013, 12:05 PM
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I've been working on A/C systems for 30+ years... them's pristine... you ought to see what a coil looks like in a rental house that originally had a floor furnace, converted to a 30x36 return air grille... that's SUPPOSED to have a filter changed each month for the 15 or so years the tennant has lived there with dogs and cats and kids...
imagine the blower cage on the car is 16" across, the coil is 30" square, and BOTH are completely filled with hair, and leaves, and toys, and dead animals, and clothes, and shoes, and food, and, and and and and...
I'll clean car systems ANYDAY!!!
renters SUCK!

hotel wall units are only MARGINALLY better...

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Old 05-21-2013, 12:07 PM
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I've been working on A/C systems for 30+ years... them's pristine... you ought to see what a coil looks like in a rental house that originally had a floor furnace, converted to a 30x36 return air grille... that's SUPPOSED to have a filter changed each month for the 15 or so years the tennant has lived there with dogs and cats and kids...
imagine the blower cage on the car is 16" across, the coil is 30" square, and BOTH are completely filled with hair, and leaves, and toys, and dead animals, and clothes, and shoes, and food, and, and and and and...
I'll clean car systems ANYDAY!!!
renters SUCK!

hotel wall units are only MARGINALLY better...
Oh great I'm never going out now - even when the children have grown up...
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:12 PM
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I've been working on A/C systems for 30+ years... them's pristine... you ought to see what a coil looks like in a rental house that originally had a floor furnace, converted to a 30x36 return air grille... that's SUPPOSED to have a filter changed each month for the 15 or so years the tennant has lived there with dogs and cats and kids...
imagine the blower cage on the car is 16" across, the coil is 30" square, and BOTH are completely filled with hair, and leaves, and toys, and dead animals, and clothes, and shoes, and food, and, and and and and...
I'll clean car systems ANYDAY!!!
renters SUCK!

hotel wall units are only MARGINALLY better...
I can totally relate to that. the place I am in I believe did not have the blower serviced in about a decade or so, when I removed the squirrel cage, firstly it was not working as a fan as the little blades were now cylinders. I counted 20 roach mummies and tons of other stuff like lint, hair etc. I cleaned the coil in situ the best I could with drip pans and otc products.

I will almost never want to do that job ever again. YUCK.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:13 PM
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on the plus side... I usually find hundreds of marbles when I clean out one of those systems...
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:02 PM
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I once removed a 98 camry evaporator ( for a college student freind) - that car also does not use a filter, and it was similar to these pictures, Toyota sold a product in a can that was really powerful it was expanding foam and it pushed itself through the evaporator, heater core etc literally melting the dirt. btw I had to do 4 passes back and forth to make it brand new again.

But just saying, I think the product being sold on pelican with a long straw is similar.

oddball bit

toyota provided a slot for a filter in that car - yet they forgot to install it in the factory.
You can get that foam cleaner at Home Depot or anywhere that refrigeration supplies are sold. It works great, but does not substitute for disassembly and cleaning.
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Old 05-21-2013, 02:08 PM
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You can get that foam cleaner at Home Depot or anywhere that refrigeration supplies are sold. It works great, but does not substitute for disassembly and cleaning.
I used the foam cleaner on the evaporator and heater core. It would have had very limited cleansing power without disassembly. In addition, these type of products don't require rinsing on coils that produce condensation.
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X2, Renters suck. been there.

I rent now and take care of the place as if I owned it, but when I rented out a place I once owned ( I know getting a little Here) the place had Electric Heaters in ea room. I had installed a Fireplace Insert. wasn`t getting my rent money so went up there to see what`s up. I see a tin pipe sticking out one of the rear Bedroom windows. they had dragged the Insert to the Bedroom, set it on some bricks and had the fire going in the insert.


I have a 240D Air/Heat box I took apart, and it`s AC Condenser was pretty full of debris too. I really don`t see how spraying is some Condenser Cleaner will make all that stuff disappear.

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Old 05-21-2013, 04:33 PM
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You can get that foam cleaner at Home Depot or anywhere that refrigeration supplies are sold. It works great, but does not substitute for disassembly and cleaning.
This foam was not the home depot type thing, the can said made in japan something and it came out like heavy shaving foam under massive velocity, it would react (start to grow) when it touched dirt and the foam would turn gray and finally into black ink colored stuff after about 10 minutes.

Smelled heavily like lemony butane.

msybe vstech knows of something similar coz that toyota dealer says they dont have it anymore and its no longer supplied as all newer models have cabin filters.

I had to change the expansion valve on that one so when I had the dash apart I cleaned out everything, all ducts were major dirt caves too.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:05 PM
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Your evaporator didn't look as bad as mine and you got paid more I only found a penny down in the defrost area. I like the idea of a cabin vent. Maybe something over the bottom of the blower???


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I don't know, that evap of mine seemed to be 85% clogged. The dirt and resulting water from the evap caused it to deteriorate.

New unit is coming soon. BTW - the w123 evaporators according to my local parts guy will be discontinued this year.


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Old 05-21-2013, 10:19 PM
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..... Keep us posted on what kind of filter setup you design.


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maybe you could duct the climate control air inlet to the engine air filter, and use the same air filter for both applications?

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I'm planning to use the limited space in the cowling to add in a cabin filter for the outside air intake. I am also going to put a cabin filter for the inside air intake.

So far this is for the outside air intake.

This is the cowling opened up with the windshield wiper assembly removed. Not shown, but part of the wiper motor sits on top of the HVAC intake. It would of been easier to add in a filter if this was not the case.



Another shot.



Hopefully the filters I choose will be sufficient because they are on the small side. They are for the 1999 - 2002 Chevrolet Silverado. They come in a pack of two and Measures 5 1/4" x 9 1/8". Originally suppose to be installed side by side in the Silverado HVAC box. But I will use one for the outside air side and one for the inside air side.



I chose this filter because of the space limitations in the cowling. This is where I plan to place the filter. I am going to make some ducting from fiberglass to snake around the windshield wiper motor and connecting rods.





Any thoughts?



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How long did it take to get the air box out? I have heard people say many day's work, but maybe there is a trick they don't know. I have looked at several 300D's partially stripped in the junkyard, but it looks like a lot of work even after removing much of the console. Specifically, I need to change the heater core in one of my cars, plus a cleaning inside.
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Old 05-27-2013, 09:00 AM
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hotel wall units are only MARGINALLY better...
From someone who spends 100+ nights a year in hotels now I am totally disgusted.

Almost every Hampton Inn in the country has that stupid through the wall buzz box system.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:53 AM
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How long did it take to get the air box out? I have heard people say many day's work, but maybe there is a trick they don't know. I have looked at several 300D's partially stripped in the junkyard, but it looks like a lot of work even after removing much of the console. Specifically, I need to change the heater core in one of my cars, plus a cleaning inside.
I removed a manual airbox in the junkyard in less than 3 hours. Cleaning takes longer because you have to decide what to do on all the flaps. Do you re-install insulation or not. You might want to look over in my 1984 Light Ivory 300D thread. Re-installation of the airbox is long; still working on it.
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:54 PM
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I would say it would take that long as daw_two stated, I've been taking my good ole time on this.



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I agree, is there a thread here where deliveryvalve has done a step by step on this process?
dmorrison did a write up already.

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I originally had the cheeky idea to just cut a hole in the HVAC box to access the "fresh" air side of the evaporator for cleaning... too bad that's the side that's against the firewall

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