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Old 10-24-2013, 02:32 PM
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What if your house was on fire and the fire truck ran out of DEF?
Something odd about those stories.

On the new Bluetec benzes, you will get a warning when AdBlue gets low just like your gas gauge does. It will also inform you that you have x number of starts left. Normally you would just have to refill when you next get a chance.

Those ambulances may be different, but not likely. Something must have malfunctioned.

Having said that, there are reports of malfunctions with the AdBlue system on 2014 models (GLK250 and perhaps soon C & E class). The AdBlue warning comes on when the Adblue tank is full! MB are working on it!

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Old 10-24-2013, 02:35 PM
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Modern diesels with modern emissions controls built to meet current US emissions regulations are stupidly expensive. No rational person would buy one in a passenger car.
The 2014 GLK250 diesel is less expensive than the gas GLK350 and a lot less expensive if fuel consumption is considered. Otherwise cars are the same.
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That's why my original post of a low horsepower, no frills, compact diesel sedan from Mercedes would be on my want list. That WOULD make economic sense as I expect that a 60+ mpg diesel car in the 30k range could be produced.

Not that it will be, at least not for the US market.



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Neither are new diesels. You buy a diesel because you want a diesel, you buy a hybrid because you want a hybrid, you buy a V8 because you want a V8. There is no rational economic argument to be made for any of these. A 4 cyl gasoline fueled E class would be far cheaper than the E250 bluetec they're selling now. BMW put a $7000 premium on the 320d vs the 320i in the US. The price gap was so huge they had to rebadge it a 328d just so it wouldn't look so embarrassing. Modern diesels with modern emissions controls built to meet current US emissions regulations are stupidly expensive. No rational person would buy one in a passenger car.
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The 2014 GLK250 diesel is less expensive than the gas GLK350 and a lot less expensive if fuel consumption is considered. Otherwise cars are the same.
According to mbusa.com, the GLK350 V6 has 102hp more and costs $1100 less than the GLK250. I'll take the 102hp and $1100. That buys 275 gallons of premium gas around here which is still cheaper than diesel fuel at most stations.

GLK350 $37,480 302hp
GLK250 $38,590 200hp

There is no economic argument you can make for a new diesel passenger car in the US. You buy a diesel because you want a diesel, not because its going to somehow magically save you money.
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That less expensive GLK350 doesn't have 4 wheel drive that ALL USA versions of the GLK250 have.

Thank you, I'll keep my 250 with the 4 wheel drive!
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That less expensive GLK350 doesn't have 4 wheel drive that ALL USA versions of the GLK250 have.

Thank you, I'll keep my 250 with the 4 wheel drive!
Yeah, you really need that 4 wheel drive in California. Farmer's Almanac says it might rain this winter.

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That buys 275 gallons of premium gas around here which is still cheaper than diesel fuel at most stations.

When you consider that a gallon of diesel fuel has 113% of the energy that a gallon or RUG has, the price difference all but disappears. Compared to premium, diesel is almost always significantly cheaper. It's the BTU's that do the work, not the gallons. Anyone who has fallen victim to the E85 scam quickly makes that discovery when they're paying 15% less for a fuel that contains 30% less energy.
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Yeah, you really need that 4 wheel drive in California. Farmer's Almanac says it might rain this winter.

I live near Tahoe. No little trips to Rodeo Drive. Check your information on how often I-80 over the Sierra's is closed or has chain controls for non-4 wheel drive. It's not LA-LA land here!
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I don't think ANY modern vehicles come with a key anymore... my mom's ford she just bought has none, nor did the GLK she was looking at.

looks like we've come full circle... the original fords had no key, I DOUBT the first MB's had a key to start... just a button for the starter, or they may have been hand cranks...
I am late to the party, but I want this in my cars.

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I believe the car in the picture above is a small SUV.
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the Eclass looks like a small SUV to you?
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:16 PM
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According to mbusa.com, the GLK350 V6 has 102hp more and costs $1100 less than the GLK250.
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Gasser is $2000 more than diesel, both with 4-Matic.

In the USA, adding 4-Matic adds $2000. This makes the GLK350 about $1000 more expensive. To find out if you are right about diesels being more expensive, we do have to compare equally equipped vehicles, regardless of whether we need the equipment or not. The GLK 4-matic provides this opportunity. So, based on the evidence, it seems you are WRONG. Sorry about that

As a diesel owner, you should know that HP is not that important. Torque is what you should look at.
Diesel 369ft.lb @ 1,600 - 1,800 rpm
Gasser 273ft.lb. @ 3,500 - 5,250 rpm

Gasser wins on acceleration
0-100 km/hr 8sec for diesel 6.5 for gasser. So get the gasser if rabbit starts are your thing

Top speed, towing capacity same.

For some reason, GLK250 has a lower drag coefficient than gasser (0.34 vs 0.36)

Fuel economy, city (L/100km) diesel 8.3. gasser 11.1
Fuel economy, highway (L/100km) diesel 5.9; gasser 8.1
For 20k km/yr diesel should save about $500 over gas assuming fuel costs are same. But up here, diesel is about same price as Regular, 14c less than Premium diesel saves another $200. Helps pay for the Adblue!

Finally, when you come to sell or trade the GLK, if it is like other Benzes, resale/trade value will be about 20% higher for the diesel in Canada. So yet another saving for the diesel - lower depreciation. In the USA, where diesels are less loved, this may not be true. Seems the lease cost for a gasser is lower, perhaps indicating a lower residual value for the diesel?
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I live near Tahoe. No little trips to Rodeo Drive. Check your information on how often I-80 over the Sierra's is closed or has chain controls for non-4 wheel drive. It's not LA-LA land here!
Oh Tahoe, thats cute. Its funny how every time I go up there its always the AWD SUVs that end up in the ditch on the side of the road since they're not required to have chains or snow tires. People seem to forget that chains and snow tires help you GO and STOP, AWD doesn't help you stop. And lets face it, thats the real problem when you're skidding across 3 lanes of newly former ice Emigrant Gap. You have fun with that over confidence, I'll stick with my chains and snow tires, thanks.
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In looking for something else, I came across this article in the Toronto Globe and Mail regarding the GLK250. Seemed apt for this thread


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You have fun with that over confidence, I'll stick with my chains and snow tires, thanks.
Hey LA LA boy, where did you get any "over confidence" out of anything posted?

For your information, as an avid skier I've skied most every mountain with more than 3 lifts in the Western USA and several in Canada over many, many years. I've NEVER skidded off any road nor failed to stop when needing to. That includes quite a few trips to Mammoth when I lived in your lousy city and had a condo up there, and that while driving a W126 diesel!

Bottom line, 4 wheel drive IS useful in the GOOD part of California!

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