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Old 04-28-2015, 01:38 AM
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Yeah, I'm kinda thinking the same thing. I'll have to do some Googling, see if I can find any good places around here. I'll make some calls tomorrow and see if I can drop the drive shaft off during my lunch break or something.

Unfortunately I don't have a press, and I don't know anyone who has one either.

Stuck things suck!

On a slightly related note: for some reason the front half of the drive shaft didn't even have the centering bushing at all. I'm wondering if I should take it off and put one in there, since it does seem it's supposed to have one?...
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:43 AM
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Ugh! This bushing is turning into a frikkin' nightmare.

Of course, it was only now that I read this topic:
Driveshaft centering bushings ... any magic to removing them?

And there it is mentioned to not replace these things...
I feel your pain, as the above thread was mine. And 44,000 miles later my front driveshaft centering bushing still has a hole drilled through it. For whatever it's worth, it doesn't cause any noticeable problems. I had actually forgotten about it. Now that I'm thinking about it again I'll probably notice a vibration.
I battled mine for ages, and heated it a lot. Of course it hit the point where if I heated it any more, i would most definitely destroy the bushing and then I'd be REALLY in trouble if I didn't get it out. I think it was a matter of not going past the point of salvagability.
For yours, I would try putting it in a vice, put the screwdriver or allen wrench through it, and then put a pry bar under the screwdriver/allen on each side of the bushing ... so you've got force pushing up on both sides of the bushing, using two pry bars. Heat it first for a bit. That's how I got one of mine out.
If that fails, you might just put it back on and see how it goes, unless the rubber is really damaged. I can't say it will work in every case, but in my case, the drilled hole did not render it noticeably dysfunctional. I put chassi grease in the holes though, to help keep moisture/gunk out. I should probably clean/regrease it and check the condition now that i think about it. Like I said, I'd managed to forget this traumatic episode.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:49 AM
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I'd take it to an honest to goodness machine shop -- it might be time to tap out and let someone who has been dealing with stuck parts for many many years take over.

Otherwise, I'd put it in my 12 ton press, heat it with the acetylene torch and press it inward with the press to try to break the bond, and then attempt to pull it.

I hate stuck things, broken fasteners, etc
IIRC you wouldn't be able to press it inward since there's a "ledge" in there to stop it. Though I may be remembering wrong.
Machine shop is a good idea though. I may do that next time I pull my driveshaft, and replace it with one without a hole in it.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:55 AM
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Yeah, well...After I drilled the holes things would have still been fine, but then I got that puller, and that puller thing ripped the whole inside of the bushing to shreds. There is no rubber in it anymore to speak of. There's also a tiny spring that surrounds the rubber. I didn't know that either, but it popped out, so yeah...I really f*cked it up.

Wish I could go back in time to Saturday, and just put the prop shaft back with the old bushing. Car would be drivable by now. Ugh.

So, I'm gonna call some machine shops tomorrow (I Googled a few and have some phone numbers to call) to see what they can do.

If that all fails I will try your idea with the two pry bars, but I really hope this will all just end with me giving a machine shop 50 bucks and being done with it...
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:12 AM
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Wish I could go back in time to Saturday, and just put the prop shaft back with the old bushing. Car would be drivable by now. Ugh.
Believe me, I had that exact feeling when I went through it. I was so mad at myself for trying to replace it when it wasn't even really damaged, just infuriated. Even though mine could go back on after the saga, it still bothered me that I had this imperfect thing left at the end of the job when I just wanted to do it all right and not wonder if the imperfection was going to be a problem.
But going into it, it just doesn't seem like it's going to be as hard as it ends up. I did actually do them on my w123 successfully (I had to, front one was significantly damaged when flex disc blew), so it seemed wise to do them on principle when I did the job on my 124. And boy did I wish I hadn't thought that.
Of the three I did get out (both on 123 and one on 124), they ALL were a battle and eventually came out. So, don't give up hope on yours yet ... I'll bet a machine shop can get it out. And if you can't find a shop, a vice and two pry bars will give you a lot of extra force. Put the pry bars right up against the bushing sides, so you won't bend, break whatever rod you've got through the hole.
Good luck ... hope you find an answer soon.

Edit: Tomorrow I will try to see if i can find pictures from when i did the job, if that's any help. I don't think I have any of the actual prying setup though, but maybe I can work up a masterpiece in Paint.
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Old 04-28-2015, 05:58 AM
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Wow it's turning out to be a PITA huh? Before taking it to the machine shop, try beating on it with a two foot long two by four (don't use a hamme and damage it further) on the end and also all around the circumference in an attempt to break the bind, use penetrating oil also. Then try pulling with the wired screw driver or Bodhi's method.
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Thanks for all the replies, guys! At this point I'm gonna make some calls this morning and see if I can have someone remove it for me. I hate to go that route, but I've wasted enough time on this already and I'm done.

If nobody can or wants to remove it for me, I"ll try to use Bodhi's method. Or inserting a rod through the hole I drilled and then driving wedges between them (one on either side) to see if that will get it out.

Also, I'll just apply as much heat to it as I can at this point...
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:43 PM
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This one http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/disc_2/program/Chassis/41-050.pdf ? Where is this method, I didn't see anything about pulling the bushing (centering sleeve)? My idea was based on looking at the pic of the bushing Ceristimo posted and may or may not work. I have never tried it so he's gonna be the guinea pig lol.
Here is the reference:http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12265/disc_2/program/Chassis/41-200.pdf It also has good information about the assembly of the parts to retain the balance of the propeller shaft. (same section - different subsection)

For the OP, the FSM recommends prying next to the shaft. IIRC, I used a "pickle fork" ball-joint separator to break it loose. If it has mushroomed the last resort might be to drill it out with a bit just large enough to "thin" the walls. The drawback to that method is it will take a very large machine bit, which in itself might be a rare find. Hopefully, your machine shop can resolve the issue for you.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:46 PM
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Thanks for posting the reference! Good to know I still have some options to get that damn thing removed. Also good to know that it is in fact removable. I was seriously starting to doubt myself....
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Just an advance tip for once you get it out and go to put the new one in: Make sure you tap it in straight. Putting the shaft in a vice and using a flat block of wood tapped on by hammer to drive the bushing straight in, slowly, worked for me. You just don't want to get it stuck in there crooked and end up with a new problem!
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Thanks for the advice!


All right, I just called a few places here in town. Some were outright rude and said: "no, no, no, heck no, I don't want to deal with that".

Fifth shop I called specializes in drive lines and said: "Sure! Drop it off, I'll give it a go".

So, I'll drop it off during lunch, and hopefully be able to get my drive shaft back in the car tonight.
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Old 04-28-2015, 06:26 PM
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All right, got the bushing out finally. I dropped the drive shaft off at the drive line place during my lunch break, and they pulled it out while I waited.

It took them 5 minutes. It came out easy. They put a bolt through the hole I drilled and yanked it out.

Seriously!? I've been pounding on it for hours.

Well, instead of thinking I'm apparently very weak, I just like to think I loosened it up for them...

Oh, total cost? 0 dollars. Awesome!
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:05 PM
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All right, got the bushing out finally. I dropped the drive shaft of at the drive line place during my lunch break, and they pulled it out while I waited.

It took them 5 minutes. It came out easy. They put a bolt through the hole I drilled and yanked it out.

Seriously!? I've been pounding on it for hours.

Well, instead of thinking I'm apparently very weak, I just like to think I loosened it up for them...

Oh, total cost? 0 dollars. Awesome!
Glad you got it out! It's probably not a matter of strength but simply having the right leverage and force, which isn't easy without the right shop setup and tools.
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:16 PM
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Yeah, that's what I keep telling myself...
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:23 PM
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All's well that ends well! I've made a mental note not to touch that thing when I do flex discs on mine!
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