Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 07-21-2016, 03:39 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 3,115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_in_NV View Post
On my '85 I don't remember any ball bearings.
Good info. I have never taken a turbo apart. I just thought it had ball bearings from things I have read. I recall some early turbos in the 1980's had problems with oil coking from heat-soak, causing bearing failure. Perhaps they meant journal bearings. Makes sense since the bearings are flushed w/ oil.

Something round, about the size of a ball bearing, was bouncing around in the #1 cyl of my 1985 engine, since there were circular depressions in the piston top, and similar on the pre-chamber outside. Don't know if that caused the failure at 330K miles. Several other cylinders had chunks missing from the pistons around the ring grooves, but not such pocked damage. It did make a bad noise about 6 months prior that, sounding like something bouncing around inside, then went away after a minute idling. When it made it the 2nd time, I drove ~2 miles before the engine stopped and wouldn't turn over.

__________________
1984 & 1985 CA 300D's
1964 & 65 Mopar's - Valiant, Dart, Newport
1996 & 2002 Chrysler minivans
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-21-2016, 04:18 PM
Diesel911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Long Beach,CA
Posts: 51,250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve_in_NV View Post
I didn't forget the O-ring.
I didn't think you actually forgot it as you would have had a good sized oil leak if you had.

But, you did say "There are no "rubber" seals internally only a paper type gasket...". O-rings are seals.
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-22-2016, 12:39 AM
Diesel911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Long Beach,CA
Posts: 51,250
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillGrissom View Post
Good info. I have never taken a turbo apart. I just thought it had ball bearings from things I have read. I recall some early turbos in the 1980's had problems with oil coking from heat-soak, causing bearing failure. Perhaps they meant journal bearings. Makes sense since the bearings are flushed w/ oil.

Something round, about the size of a ball bearing, was bouncing around in the #1 cyl of my 1985 engine, since there were circular depressions in the piston top, and similar on the pre-chamber outside. Don't know if that caused the failure at 330K miles. Several other cylinders had chunks missing from the pistons around the ring grooves, but not such pocked damage. It did make a bad noise about 6 months prior that, sounding like something bouncing around inside, then went away after a minute idling. When it made it the 2nd time, I drove ~2 miles before the engine stopped and wouldn't turn over.
The bearings on your turbo are what are called free floating bearing. The bearing is not mount solidly anywhere. Their side ways play is arrested by some sort of snap ring.

There is clearance between the Shaft journals and the inside of the bearing and there is also clearance between the inside of the bore of the bearing housing and the outside of the bearing.

There is a seperate thrust bearing that is mounted solidly.

The shaft bearings are circled in the pic.
Attached Thumbnails
Turbo questions-turbo-bearings.jpg  
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-22-2016, 08:50 PM
Luxury Hooptie Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Screwston, TX
Posts: 347
Ahhh, that's why some rebuild kits specifically mention a 360° thrust bearing instead of a 270°!
__________________
RIP:
2011 E350 BlueTEC, Schwartz 81k (totaled by uninsured drunk driver)
1964 Unimog 404.1 (wrongfully towed by the city)
1994 E320, Brilliantsilber 208k (transmission shuffled off after sudden catastrophic fluid loss)
1982 300D, Silberblau under a blue repaint 256k (sold for parts)
1995 E320 Polarweiss, 131k (sold for parts)
1995 E300D Polarweiss, 287k (totaled by drunk driver)
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-23-2016, 07:54 PM
Diesel911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Long Beach,CA
Posts: 51,250
Gerrett T3 and T4 turbos also can have different seals on the Compressor ends.

So you need to be sure you get a kit with Piston/dynamic type Ring seals on the Compressor side of the W123 Turbos.
Attached Thumbnails
Turbo questions-types-turbo-charger-seals-compressor-end.jpg  

__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel

Last edited by Diesel911; 07-23-2016 at 08:15 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page