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in the USA, our cars are safe, they dont kick cars off the road here. parts will get cheap...which is good.
Dieselfanatic - im sorry, but electric cars are not a fad - they will take over. i'll be driving my cars for a long time hopefully.
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Not to mention the limited range and long recharge times. This alone makes it a no-go for a significant percentage of the population. Yes electric will slowly gain in market share as time passes, but we will not see the demise of diesel (or gasoline) in our lifetimes.
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I going to enjoy driving the 240D until the wackos that run California tax it off the road.
Until then I'll try to ditch them in a cloud of diesel smoke.
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Bad news for those of you still waiting for the electric car craze to die.
Mercedes Will Quit DTM In 2018 To Join Formula E In 2019 Adios DTM Audi is also out, BMW will likely follow shortly. Audi, BMW, MB, Renault, Jaguar are in Formula E in 2019.
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I think there's a place for actual CNG/hydrogen cars. Toyota now built 40 hydro filling stations in Cali and has programmed 1 billion dollars to continue doing this. In Michigan there's only one such station, about 40 miles from my house. I periodically fill my dirigible there
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I think maintenance costs are going to keep these cars among the wealthier set. That's ok, because I can make low-smoke blends on my farm-to-be and/or make highly purified biodiesel as a hobby. I have neighbors with older gassers that roll more coal than any 1940s Mack Truck!
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Fossil fuels going obsolete. Unstoppable. Really soon!
Provocative video that shows how the fossil fuel based energy and transportation system will go the way of the horse and buggy amazingly quickly due to inexorable economic factors.
Clean Disruption - Why [our] Energy & Transportation [systems] will be Obsolete by 2030 by Tony Seba, Stanford economist. www.youtube.com/watch? v=Kxryv2XrnqM |
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In 20 years, when there's just as many gasoline and diesel cars on USA roads as there are today, I'm going to have myself a hardy chuckle and an ice cold glass of lemonade. A nationwide shift to electric vehicles is simply not feasible anytime in the near future, sooner or later that harsh reality will be seen.
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My crystal ball is partly cloudy
Many people thought it would not be feasible that we would have our very own Caligula for president, but it happened.
Big oil has been telling us for decades that solar power would never be feasible. Right now, the cheapest PV panels are below 50 cents a watt and dropping. If you watched the video, it's hard to argue with the numbers, such as the fact that electric motors are over 90% efficient vs 20% or less for infernal combustion, and 1% as many moving parts. That said, i will probably keep driving my ol' Mercedes diesel as long as i can hoist those 35 Lb. cubes of vegetable oil, and surely many of the old dinosaurs will be on the road for decades. What Dr Seba is saying that all or most new cars from the early '20's on will be electric. |
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Tesla Model 3 Long-Range Trim Will Go 310 Miles On A Charge Standard Model 3 $35,000 starting price 220 mile range 0-60 in 5.6 seconds 130 mph top speed Supercharging rate: 130 miles in 30 minutes Home charging rate: 30 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 32A) Long Range Model 3 $44,000 starting price 310 mile range 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds 140 mph top speed Supercharging rate: 170 miles in 30 minutes Home charging rate: 37 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 40A)
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Great prices- until their government subsidies run out. Oopsidasies.
That aside, I'm not saying the usage of electric cars won't grow, it clearly will. But in which demographic, and to what extent? All I'm suggesting is that electric vehicles will never overtake gassers in our lifetime. Not happening. The trucking, shipping, cargo, and train industries aside, it is up to enthusiasts like us to keep these dwindling amounts of diesel cars on the roads. The vast majority of drivers will chose hybrids, fuel efficient Honda 4-bangers, and v8 muscle cars. Not full fledged electrics. Anyways, this is a touchy subject full of debate and opinion, because we love our cars and it's a shame to see them fade out of existence. I do fear that california will end up throwing millions of tax payer funds at an industry that will probably implode decades from now. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Only time will tell. That is my final thought on the matter. Now it's time to look at more car parts... Last edited by Dieselfanatic; 07-29-2017 at 03:28 AM. |
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I believe the electrification of transportation may be overly ambitious.
A $1trillion investment in the electrical grid will be required first. The extractive capacity of basic materials cannot meet this schedule. The recent announcement of the UK and France banning all fossil fuel vehicles by 2040 is fantasy. As an example electrification of vehicles require lithium and cobalt in current formulation. The UK alone with 1% of the world's population would require 30% of global cobalt production. Lastly if you ever wondered if the US will ever leave Afghanistan. Not as long as 70 % of world lithium deposits are there. If you want to understand global conflict followed natural resources. It's always there. Ever wonder about the genocide in the Congo.....whala Cobalt mining.
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I wonder how OPEC will revise its projections next year?
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-11/its-confirmed-without-government-subsidies-tesla-sales-implode https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertbradley/2016/08/24/investors-confront-teslas-energy-fantasy/#79c73c3016e0 https://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2016/08/07/subsidies-are-hiding-elon-musks-certain-entrepreneurial-genius/#6186a7b86005 https://www.ft.com/content/84e54440-3bc4-11e7-821a-6027b8a20f23 This is a game they are playing with taxpayer money to subsidize the rich to buy cars and get tax breaks. It cannot continue forever as we will run out of people to tax. Dkr. Last edited by dkr; 07-29-2017 at 10:27 AM. |
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