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Old 11-11-2004, 10:04 PM
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A month or so ago I began using my block heater every night, set the timer to come on at about 4:30AM and that was fine, now with the onset of colder nights, now dropping into the low 30 degree range, the temp guage barely registers any amount of heat from the block heater.
That's exactly what it should do. When it is down below 30 degrees, the amount of heat from the block heater is not sufficient to raise the temperature of the entire engine much above 80 degrees or so. But, that is all you need. Think about starting the engine in 80 degree weather. You don't want to spend any more electric than that.

Now, if the block heater is not working, you will know it when the temp gets down below 20 degrees. If it cranks for ten seconds and starts with a cloud of smoke and runs rough for 15 seconds or so, then the block heater is not working. If is starts like it's 80 degrees outside, it's working fine.
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Old 11-11-2004, 10:36 PM
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Lightbulb Ether or Block Heater?

As a young boy I grew up in a large logging community. My father owned the only Service Station in 20 miles of the largest town. We serviced about a 100 Log Trucks, it was common to see a can of ether or starting fluid in a Diesel Log Truck. Loggers kept alot of it in there service trucks to start there Logging Skidders. We used it to some degree, but not much. My father always told me that too much could "lock up" the engine or "blow it up", besides being "harmful" to you. We normally just used our Block Heaters in our Ford F-250's at our shop. I've seen too much Ether blown into the air intakes, and the engines start "violently". The Block Heaters are the safer way to start a "Cold" Diesel engine. If that's not helping you've got more problems, such as the "glow plugs". I've had my 300 SDL for 2 years and have never blown any starting fluid or ether into it and I sure don't plan on it.
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Old 11-12-2004, 12:09 PM
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Charcoal starter

Years ago I saw some guys use charcoal in a pan to heat up the engine enough to start it, yes, it was a diesel, a semi with a Cat engine. The charcoal was started and let burn to white edges and then they slid it under the truck. Well, it did start, and no one got hurt! But, I was amazed.

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Old 11-12-2004, 01:55 PM
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Thumbs down This works very well.

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Years ago I saw some guys use charcoal in a pan to heat up the engine enough to start it, yes, it was a diesel, a semi with a Cat engine. The charcoal was started and let burn to white edges and then they slid it under the truck. Well, it did start, and no one got hurt! But, I was amazed.

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But you must have a BRAIN to do it in a safe manner.

There are too many DANGEROUS FOOLS in the world for me to ever suggest doing this.

I watched one try to use this procedure on a Mack, near the Mackinaw bridge, he let it warm for an hour, then got out a can of ETHER, started spraying the intake, some dripped down to the charcoal, the blast threw him ten feet, and burned his snow suit and face mask.

Some people are DANGEROUS FOOLS, soon to be DEAD FOOLS.
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Agreed. WD-40 is IMO useless as a lubricant, but well known among big diesel folk as starting fluid. Even works with Wankel (aka: rotary) engines where regular starting fluid will destroy them.

Using starting fluid of any kind in a glow-plug or heated intake engine is risky without disabling the glow-plugs and overdoses can cause bigger problems, even in big diesels it can cause stretched head bolts etc.
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:11 PM
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whunter;all,

it's been said for eons in the US Army that: "NOTHING can be made idiot-PROOF because idiots are so ingenious."

over the years, i've found that to be TRUE! = promiscious use of ether in engines of all kinds is one of those.

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Old 01-26-2009, 06:24 PM
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My '77 U1000 Mog has the ether injection option. No glow plugs in the OM352.963 engine. Of course the little cartridge cans to put in it are probably impossible to find now.
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Old 01-26-2009, 08:56 PM
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My '77 U1000 Mog has the ether injection option. No glow plugs in the OM352.963 engine. Of course the little cartridge cans to put in it are probably impossible to find now.
Go to your local Penske truck service center. The original cans may be hard to find, but heavy trucks use this system and an upgrade is surely available!
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:29 PM
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I had a CAT with ether injection also, called a "cold start aid". The trick is that the ether only goes in in a controlled shot, not as long as you want to hold the button etc., and was disabled if the engine was on. That of course was a non glow-plug direct-injection 10.4L engine, big difference w/o glow-plugs.

Oh, and I agree on "idiot-proof". In my too many years of Engineering, I preferred the term "idiot resistant".
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:54 AM
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Would it be safer to wait another minute for the glow plugs to cool off (from red hot) after you hear the glow plug relay click off before cranking the engine?
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I have used ether on my 300SD twice, following is the description.
Note: My air intake system is OEM.
#1. Open the hood.
#2. Look at the front of the radiator.
#3. Locate the air intake pick-up tube.
#4. Give the air intake pick-up tube a one second shot of ether.
#5. Walk around, get in and start the engine.

You will pleas note that this way; it is almost impossible to feed excess ether to the engine, the excess will run back out, the weak ether vapor will last only a couple of revolutions.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:47 PM
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I have been told by several folks that the chemical make up of WD40 has changed and it is no longer flamable and will not help a diesel start.

My powerstroke truck sat for over a week in sub zero weather a month or so ago.

I plugged in the block heater a while and tried to start it - nothing. After replacing the fuel filter (I suspected it was frozen) pouring fresh diesel into the filter housing with the new filter - charging the batteries, etc.... it would crank and smoke, but not start.

wd40 had no effect...

In desperation, I sprayed about a 1 second burst of ether into the air filter housing AFTER waiting for the glow plug relay to shut off (and a minute or so after that) and the engine started - it did rev up over 2500 rpm even with that little amount of ether.


So - certainly it is a last resort and must be used with care.
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:32 PM
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one more method

room, my neighbors 1985 300d didnt get the heat from the block heater because of a broken ac cord,near zero degrees,i took 2 five gallon buckets and filled with hot water from the house water heater,poured slowly over the valve cover,kept the water comming for 4 total buckets,cranked the engine and got a start.
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:27 PM
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I have been told by several folks that the chemical make up of WD40 has changed and it is no longer flamable and will not help a diesel start.

My powerstroke truck sat for over a week in sub zero weather a month or so ago.

I plugged in the block heater a while and tried to start it - nothing. After replacing the fuel filter (I suspected it was frozen) pouring fresh diesel into the filter housing with the new filter - charging the batteries, etc.... it would crank and smoke, but not start.

wd40 had no effect...

In desperation, I sprayed about a 1 second burst of ether into the air filter housing AFTER waiting for the glow plug relay to shut off (and a minute or so after that) and the engine started - it did rev up over 2500 rpm even with that little amount of ether.


So - certainly it is a last resort and must be used with care.
wd40 is not a cold start aid. It is a way to start the car if you have a need to bleed and for some reason your prime pump does not work correctly. You have to spray it directly into the intake and keep spraying it. if the engine is sound it will run on the wd 40 until the fuel lines bleed themselves and take over as long as you keep spraying.
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Old 02-04-2009, 06:50 PM
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wd40 is not a cold start aid. It is a way to start the car if you have a need to bleed and for some reason your prime pump does not work correctly. You have to spray it directly into the intake and keep spraying it. if the engine is sound it will run on the wd 40 until the fuel lines bleed themselves and take over as long as you keep spraying.


Thanks for clearing that up for me - and for making the point about priming - as I'll be needing to do just that once I finally put my 606 back together again after replacing all the fuel lines, rebuilding the fuel pump, and replacing the delivery valve seals, and having the injectors rebuilt....
You probably just saved my new starter a lot of un necessary cranking!
Thanks a million!
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:24 PM
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