Whats a genuine AMG Hammer worth? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Vladamir · #1 08-13-2004, 12:11 PM

I wonder if anybody can help me......I've been searching the net trying to find data on selling prices for AMG Hammers and have found nothing. I imagine that this may be down to their rarity.

Has anybody got any data or views on values?

Many thanks

gsxr · #2 08-13-2004, 03:11 PM

I think it will depend HUGELY on condition. Low miles, near mint, mostly stored, it will probably cost a fortune. One that's been driven daily probably isn't worth a whole lot unless it was maintained immaculately. I'm curious what you find. Search for "omegabenz", he bought one a couple years ago.

#3 08-16-2004, 02:26 AM

I am by no means the authority of value on these great cars, but have seen them as low as $15k for a model claimed to be authentic that needed motor work in a Tampa newspaper classifieds, to about $40k asking price for a superb model listed by Kruze auctions. I have only seen a handful though, I think another nice model for about $30k but it was in another far-away country (yes, $30k in USD).

Vladamir · #4 08-16-2004, 06:04 AM

So it appears that maybe the prices are similar to real good/concurs 500's?.

You would have thought that a genuine Hammer would make more due to their rarity and the fact that they are not speed limited + cost considerably more than a E500 when new.....or is it the fact that they are so rare+almost 20 years old that people have forgotten about them, ie they have become a victim of their own rarity

placo1 · #5 08-16-2004, 10:47 AM

I think the biggest problem with the AMG Hammers is the fact that parts are no longer available from AMG (or anywhere) to support them. Anything modified by AMG will need to be custom fabricated if failure should occur. Most MB mechanics would take extra time to figure out the changes and then actually repair them. This can be extremely costly and very frustrating if you don't know the right people. I also wouldn't consider this car a daily driver, from what I've heard it's very temperamental. Remember that AMG was not a part of Mercedes at this point in time, they were strictly an aftermarket tuner like Roush or Saleen is for the Mustang. 500E's are factory tuned/supported and they offer 90% of the speed/power of the Hammers and better agility from what I hear. However, if you have the means and the patience the Hammer is a very unique, beautiful and fun car.

Vladamir · #6 08-16-2004, 11:20 AM

I'm interested in your comments re parts for the Hammer and this is were I have to have to spill the beans, ie; here comes the truth!

I own a genuine Hammer.....the only one in the UK by all accounts and I'm maybe interested in selling my car, hence the question about prices.

By way of interest, you can still get all of the service parts you need for the car, ie head gaskets etc by ordering them through your local Merc dealer......I originally thought I was doomed to never being able to find new Head Gaskets and spent months trying to find somebody at AMG to help me out.

Finally I managed to get somebody to respond and was given all of the part numbers I needed and was told to order then through my local Benz dealer!!!!

Much to my surprise they ordered them and they arrived a week later!

I agree that they are a pretty sophisticated pieces of equipment to keep tuned, however, here in the UK I'm lucky that my local independent has the experience to keep the car running well.

Thanks for you input.

Cheers

Alain V. · #7 08-19-2004, 08:10 AM

86 300e/AMG Hammer project for sale Well my red hammer is (and has been) available for $8500 for quite a while now with no takers.
It is a project with the engine currently out of the car.
86 300e/AMG Hammer project for sale

I started a new biz venture and have absolutely no time at all to work on it.
Heck, I hardly have time to check out what's new here anymore.

I have had alot of inquiries but everyone wants me to send more pics, etc, and I just don't have time to spare right now.
(I'm still working at my "day job",,,,,yet am also building 6 cobra replicas and 3 GT40s at the moment

,,,,,,,,,I'm not getting much sleep, but hopefully will be hiring some help soon!)

I really need the workspace, and hate to think of storing this car outside.

If I don't sell it pretty soon to a true MBZ enthusiast, I'm considering ebay,,,,,,,or just hanging on to it until I get the chance to get it going again.

......oh, and as far as powerplants go,,,,,,,,, scream at me if you must,,,,,,,

but I will probably end up putting an alum ford 4.6 32 valve in it with a supercharger and a 6speed manual box. The ford stuff makes soooo much power sooo easily,(and sooo cheap compared to ridiculously priced MB perf parts) that the MBZ stuff is not even an option to me anymore.

One of the cobras I built is running sub 10 second 1/4 mile times with this engine and is making over 600hp! This is on a stock 4.6 32v with good rods/pistons, and an ATI supercharger & intercooler, cheap to build, and goes like stink!

Vladamir · #8 08-19-2004, 08:49 AM

Alain,

I take yours was originally fitted with a 6.0 engine?

Do you know the history to your car and is that the original interior?...the only reason I ask is that I have an August 1987 copy of Road and Track open in front of me and they are testing a car identical to yours....makes impressive reading!!!!

So to you guys out there wanting a genuine Hammer, albeit without the original engine, its got to be worth more than $8500......surely!

EuroCoupe · #9 08-19-2004, 12:05 PM

I am one of the guys that neeeeds pics! I have been interested in the car for quite some time but can't justify buying it with only the blurry pics on the website. I have the engine for the car in my car right now, eagerly waiting to swap into into Alain's car and make it right again! How many true enthusiasts are going to do that Alain??

Vladamir · #10 08-19-2004, 12:07 PM

Eurocoupe.........whats wrong with your car.......has it been crashed or why are you looking to swap the engine from yours to his?

EuroCoupe · #11 08-19-2004, 01:58 PM

Mine was a swap for a regular 560 motor. I bought a 6.0 DOHC SEC with a side impact and swapped it and everything else into my SEC. I think a blacked out SEC with AMG setup looks a lot better than a red 300E with AMG setup, but the Hammers are little rarer and I'd like to restore it back to its glory. I'd possibly put the 500SL motor that comes with Alain's car into my coupe like Satish on mbcoupes.com.

#12 08-20-2004, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Alain V.

but I will probably end up putting an alum ford 4.6 32 valve in it with a supercharger and a 6speed manual box. The ford stuff makes soooo much power sooo easily,(and sooo cheap compared to ridiculously priced MB perf parts) that the MBZ stuff is not even an option to me anymore.

This is sacrilege

Vladamir · #13 08-20-2004, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DTM FAN

This is sacrilege

Maybe/maybe not.........trying to find a quad cam AMG 5.6 or 6.0 will be very difficult though.....they only made 185 or is it 195 engines in total in 5.0, 5.6 and 6.0 guises and most of these went into SEL's/SEC's and some were kept as spares and some went into Le Mans racers of the time (Sauber I think used a race tuned version of the quad cam engine.......I just can't imagine that there are many good second hand engines around that are not fitted to other cars, so maybe fitting a Ford V8 is not as bad as all that......at least it still keeps the car on the road and other road users will still think they've been whipped by a Benz

Is there much metalwork needed to fit the M119 engine?........I read somewhere that when they fitted the M119 engine to make the E500 that they needed to reduce the height of the engine for it to fit under the hood of the W124......do the cars need different chassis cross members etc?

placo1 · #14 08-20-2004, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vladamir

Is there much metalwork needed to fit the M119 engine?........I read somewhere that when they fitted the M119 engine to make the E500 that they needed to reduce the height of the engine for it to fit under the hood of the W124......do the cars need different chassis cross members etc?

The 500's frame was widened by Porsche to handle the larger engine and transmission. Additional bracing was also added to increase the strength of the chassis. The widening may also have something to do with the increased stability when cornering and at high speed. The deck height of the engine was also shortened but I'm not sure how extensively and if it's something simpe or not.

I have to assume that AMG did something similar to fit the larger engine under the hood of their cars. Anyone with a Hammer know what was done on the 5.0, 5.6 and 6.0 conversions?

Vladamir · #15 08-20-2004, 12:09 PM

Here's a picture of the engine bay on my Hammer