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RBYCC · #1 03-18-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Babushka

Guys, please help.

I posted before but no replies. I can't figure out how to connect the TT breather system on the 1993 300CE CV M104.

My kit has:

1. Long thick hose
2. Short thick hose
3. MIO filter
4. 1-way valve
5. Aluminum hose-size reducer male/male
6. Long thin hose
7. 3-way spliter that fits thick hoses
8. a tap on the intake casting (between the turboes and the intake filter) that fits thick hoses
9. bunch of clamps

It's been a almost a year and no one can help me with the M104 breather TT install.

This is my M103.
Components all the same, but probably different locations on the M104.

Long thick hose to the air cleaner assembly.
The rest of the components and connections you can see.

Ed A.

Babushka · #2 03-19-2008, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ortolan

I can take some pics of my breather system once I get my car back. Were the videos on youtube of no help?

I would appriciate it if you could, or at least a few discriptive words.

The youtube videos you did are awsome, and would've been so much help when I 1st started, but for the breather system can't see anything behind the intake manifold.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBYCC

This is my M103.
Components all the same, but probably different locations on the M104.

Long thick hose to the air cleaner assembly.
The rest of the components and connections you can see.

Ed A.

Ed, you were kind enough to post these pics on my thread in Benzworld, so thank you, but by looking at the pics i am puzzled. Your long hose is way longer because the air box is on the other side of the engine. And most importantly when I inter connect my peices in different combinations, i get one extra line, i don't know what to do with.

So my intake manifold has 2 hoses 1 thick and 1 thin. I assume one is in while the other one is out. Do you know which is which? and Is iether one of them one way?

RBYCC · #3 03-19-2008, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babushka

Ed, you were kind enough to post these pics on my thread in Benzworld, so thank you, but by looking at the pics i am puzzled. Your long hose is way longer because the air box is on the other side of the engine. And most importantly when I inter connect my peices in different combinations, i get one extra line, i don't know what to do with.

So my intake manifold has 2 hoses 1 thick and 1 thin. I assume one is in while the other one is out. Do you know which is which? and Is iether one of them one way?

We know that a vacuum diagram is not supplied, so honestly it was just connecting the openings to the supplied parts in a logical manner.

If you really look at what it does then you can see it's basically a closed loop PCV type system.

Forget about your hose lengths, just see if your parts are similar to what I show.
The thick hoses are on two sides of the red valve, the thin on the other side.

Locate all your openings and make a sketch.
Then look at your parts and lay them out.
As long as all openings are connected then you have achieved the end result.

Performance really isn't effected, more keeping in line with getting the pressure out of the crankcase.

bska · #4 03-26-2008, 09:07 PM

Generic setup for oil breathers on late M104 which maintain stock crankhouse ventilation during vacuum and vents crankhouse under boost:

1. valvehouse ventilation can be routed to the filterbox. Preferably via an oil catch tank.
2. install a check valve between crankhouse ventilation where the hose enters the lower part of the intake runners. This is to prevent boost creeping into crank house. Keep the hose between the lower part of the intake runners and alu plenum as is (the one which connects next to the throttle plate)
3. insert a T-piece between the check valve and crank house ventilation
4. install a second check valve on the new T outlet to prevent "fake air" to be drawn into plenum during vacuum operation.
5. install hose from the second check valve to to filter box (preferably via oil catch tank).

You may use the same type of check valves as on the brake booster line

e320_Coupe · #5 03-27-2008, 05:36 AM

W124 TT for sale in the UK
Ortolan, thanks for the pics. I'm sure there are a few of us watching this thread but not posting too much. Keep it coming.
I want to restart my conversion now that I have a little more time and this thread is great.

jfilipcic · #6 04-12-2008, 11:16 AM

Any chance someone can post pictures of the air box area for the 104?

mijo · #7 05-18-2008, 06:12 PM

a question for rybcc
in your photos i noticed a wiring mod to your idle air valve
pls enlighten us
mike

RBYCC · #8 05-18-2008, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mijo

a question for rybcc
in your photos i noticed a wiring mod to your idle air valve
pls enlighten us
mike

Mike

Not sure what you mean.....

Ed A.

mia · #9 05-24-2008, 08:55 PM

great post

Ortolan · #10 05-24-2008, 11:01 PM

Ed, how did you end up solving the high engine bay temperature issue? Did you install that fan you were looking at on ebay? During summer my car actually shut down for a few hours when the temp was reading 120.

RBYCC · #11 05-24-2008, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ortolan

Ed, how did you end up solving the high engine bay temperature issue? Did you install that fan you were looking at on ebay? During summer my car actually shut down for a few hours when the temp was reading 120.

Funny you should ask....I've spent the last hour looking for my air saw !!!

Will probably go with hood louvers like the Mosselman 300CE Silver Arrow had.

Bought quite a few different types on EBAY.

Photoshop of a Chevrolet Lumina Z34 louver....
Too large...

If I am going to do it the closest to the Mosselman are the Nissan 280Z from the early eighties..

Much better scale..

This is the best scan I have of the Mosselman hood..

If I can find my high speed air saw, I might cut some sheet metal !!!

Ed

JayRash · #12 05-25-2008, 08:16 AM

Yup engine heat is becoming a real issue here too, i was thinking off custom building a thicker radiator and i will also be opening hood vents over the topmount intercooler (might install a small fan as well over the I/C) unless i go for a front mount I/C.

RBYCC · #13 05-25-2008, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayRash

Yup engine heat is becoming a real issue here too, i was thinking off custom building a thicker radiator and i will also be opening hood vents over the topmount intercooler (might install a small fan as well over the I/C) unless i go for a front mount I/C.

I caught up with you on this thread !!!

This is the type of blower that BJ ( Ortolan ) was asking about.
Same inline type is used by NASCAR to cool the brake area

http://www.attwood-server.com/products/parts.asp?ProductID=433&path=ventilation&category=2&gtype=2&categoryname=Ventilation+Equipment&typename=4%22+Air+Hose&headername=Ventilation+Equipment

I was think not using it as a blower, but as a heat extractor, drawing air from the turbo area and exhausting below the car.

The louvers in your case would make sense especially above your top mounted intercooler.

I'm fortunate even in 40C + temps, my engine never runs more then 90C sitting in traffic.

There is a small plug in device that will turn your electric fans on at a lower temp.
Look down to the middle of the page for the "Cool Harness"..I use the CH-92 which turn the aux fans on at 92C

http://pages.prodigy.net/jforgione/MB_S500.html

Good luck

Ed A.

JayRash · #14 05-26-2008, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBYCC

I caught up with you on this thread !!!

This is the type of blower that BJ ( Ortolan ) was asking about.
Same inline type is used by NASCAR to cool the brake area

http://www.attwood-server.com/products/parts.asp?ProductID=433&path=ventilation&category=2&gtype=2&categoryname=Ventilation+Equipment&typename=4%22+Air+Hose&headername=Ventilation+Equipment

I was think not using it as a blower, but as a heat extractor, drawing air from the turbo area and exhausting below the car.

The louvers in your case would make sense especially above your top mounted intercooler.

I'm fortunate even in 40C + temps, my engine never runs more then 90C sitting in traffic.

There is a small plug in device that will turn your electric fans on at a lower temp.
Look down to the middle of the page for the "Cool Harness"..I use the CH-92 which turn the aux fans on at 92C

http://pages.prodigy.net/jforgione/MB_S500.html

Good luck

Ed A.

Ok since we caught up here
I need to ask you abt the split unit controller, do you know if the unit can give a continuous out put signal, or is it just a pulse output?

RBYCC · #15 05-26-2008, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayRash

Ok since we caught up here
I need to ask you abt the split unit controller, do you know if the unit can give a continuous out put signal, or is it just a pulse output?

It is a pulsed output to the injector.
Continuous output would meant the injector is constantly firing..

Unit has a built in MAP sensor and requires a speed signal from the tach circuit.

Important to set up on a dyno where you can read AFR from a wide band O2 sensor while your making your settings in the software to reflect boost and RPM condition.

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