I found this on Ebay from an M-B dealer and thought it was amusing.



Here's the link to the ebay auction

why amusing? the badging is accurate as only the '93 and '93 models were assembled by porsche. the '94's were done by amg.

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'94 W124.036 249/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights

yhliem

Was Porsche the partner whom did '91 and '92 500e (Euro/US)?

This is first I've heard that AMG did '94 E500...what was source of this info?

tks-fad

fad,

porsche was given the project to develop the 500e apparently because they were having some difficultes and needed the work.

once the cars went into production, w124 chassis were diverted off of the regular assembly line to porsche's werks2 shop in zuffenhausen (same building that the 959s were built in) where porsche technicians modified the chassis, installed the drive trains and tested the cars.

the actualy process was more like this:

"bodies in white" (unfinished chassis) were sent to zuffenhausen for modification. they then went back to MB for painting, back to porsche for drivetrain installation, back to MB for more of the "regular" w124 pieces and then back to zuffenhausen for final assembly and testing.

this happened with 91-93 model years (before anyone says anything, i'm pretty sure that the 500e was available in europe as a 91)

when the W124 received its facelift for '94, porsche had gotten back on its feet and no longer needed the work and Daimler Benz was starting to look at acquiring AMG. so, the e500 project was given to AMG.

my parents and i used to live in stuttgart. in fact, i was born in bad-canstatt my dad attended the university there and worked at the mercedes-benz factory for a period of time so he occasionally hears things.


[Edited by yhliem on 07-11-2001 at 04:06 PM]

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'94 W124.036 249/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights

Thanks for the detail- Do you know if AMG put any identifying marks on the '94 E500 to indicate they had a hand in production?

Also, I was under the impression that AMG was only more recently acquired by MBZ...if this understanding is somewhat accurate, with your info, MBZ has been looking at acquiring AMG since 1994?

Any other insider tidbits for us on the 500e/ e500?

tks-fad

fad,

as far as i know, the 500e was supposed to be a relatively low-key car. unlike the evoI and evoII. there are no identifying marks (ie. badges) to indicate amg's (or, for that matter, porsche's) involvement in assembling these cars.

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'94 W124.036 249/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights

What is the market on a e500 like that one?

Fred, it really depends on the condition and miles?

Have you caught the 500E/E500 bug as well???

There appears to be a host of nice low mileage U.S. 500e's / e500's for sale on: AutoTrader.com (private and dealer ads)

A couple of '94 E500s appear to be Starmarked.

Price range: $22K to $90K ($90K!! yikes!)

Mileage Ranges from low 30,000 to over 100,000.

...and once you drive a 500e/e500, you'll "know" if its for you...

Good luck and hope you can join us.

-fad

Does anyone have any other verification of the 500E AMG story? I have never heard that AMG had anything to do with the 500E (except to take it to 6.0l and call it an E60). And it doesn't make business sense (to me) that Merc would give such a complicated project to a different entity for just a year, and the last year, at that.

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john
'87 2.3-16v
'92 500E

I owned a 94 E500 for 6 years. Bought it new. Traded with 39,000 miles in June 2000. Dealer allowed me $34,500 in hard dollars on an SLK320 trade. He starmarked it and asked $46,500 for it. Probably got $41,000. I outgrew my love of that car. The transmission was never matched properly to the engine it seemed. The car stated to "dry out" as it got older. All in all, it was a good ownership experience, but the car wasn't as great as some E500 cultists claim, in my opinion. You can buy a good "94 in the low '30s, a rough one
can be had from 15K up.

Thanks to those who let me know this discussion was going on To set the record straight, AMG had nothing to do with the regular production run of 500E/E500 models manufactured from 1990 till January of 1995. This was a Mercedes-Porsche collaboration from beginning to end.

As aftermarket tuners, AMG did a very few (about twelve as far as I can tell) E60 conversions to stock 94 E500's. According to an owner in California, this conversion was apparently available through MB by special order, indicating that AMG was actively developing their ties with the factory. This led to the the C36 AMG, which was the FIRST factory approved AMG series-production project.

I hope this helps clear the matter up.

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Dean Albrecht
"Lead, follow, or better yet, get out of the way!"E500 owners motto

Thanks Dean- I was anticipating a stronger view to counter the AMG contention to the E500 partnership......from the seat of my pants, your information sounds most consistent and accurate.

Not to sound ungrateful for the information shared here, but there's always a possibility of mis-information, fiction, & rumors offered by non subject matter experts (makes life interesting).

Allan- interesting point of view with your E500 experience. All else being equal, that's life.... and, similarly why $1 in the hand of a destitute person may not be viewed in the same manner as $1 in the hand of an independently wealthy person.


-fad

i guess i'd been mis-informed. sorry about the confusion.

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'94 W124.036 249/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'93 W124.036 199/040 leder; 8.25x17 EvoIIs, up in flames...LITERALLY!
'93 W124.036 481/040 leder; euro delivery; 8.25x17 EvoIIs
'88 R107.048 441/409 leder; Euro lights
'87 W201.034 199/040 leder; Euro lights; EvoII brakes; 8x16 EvoIs - soon: 500E rear brakes
'70 R113.044 050/526; factory alloys; Euro lights

I've heard this before, but how about the AMG-cars that were sold from MB-dealers before that? I'm not sure about other models than the 190E 3.2 AMG (which I have brochures on), but this was offered from dealers in 1992. One could even buy AMG bodykits from MB-dealers!

I've heard the version saying that AMG produced the last E500s, and I agree that it sounds strange (not to mention uneconomical) to do so in its final year. Which version is correct I don't know, but I choose to believe (until the opposite is proved) that Porsche was responsible for the entire production.

In 1988 DTM started, and this was the first cooperation between MB and AMG - the agreement said that AMG was responsible for the entire MB-fleet in DTM. In October 1990 the two companies agreed that the AMG-cars designed for street-purpose was to be sold at MB-dealers

MB didn't buy (51% of the shares) until 1999. The rest of the shares is still owned by Mr. Aufrecht (One of the founder and the "A" in AMG). DaimlerChrysler and Aufrecht have an agreement saying that DC will own the entire company by 2008.

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