No clue. Don't have an AMG motor for me to get mah grubby paws on.

The MAG58 institute for obsessive-compulsive M104 statistics is always open to donations, however.

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Okay thanks for the clarification. Any ideas on a shop that could do this and what it would cost?

it is better to use forged pistons (lightweight pistons are recommended for 7000rpm at 92mm stroke )

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16 lbs lighter than in the 350sd???? lol

stock piston 'dimentions' wil give 3.4, if you want 3.6 it needs a rebore, even if you stay at 3.4 i would expect uprated pistons (forgies) wouldnt be a bad idea?

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"some mods improve your car and make it into something it never was, other mods, however, although essentially the same, are not, and make that car a ricer"

if your car isnt shiny, you dont know what you are talking about, remember; paint shine = knowledge. In order to be taken seriously, you should spend all your money on paint, (and get a dyno reading).
Dont forget to polish it often

What kind of power increase could you expect on an m104 (cis-e) increased to 3.4 with stock pistons and custom rods?

Also, what would be the downfall of not using forged pistons?

Costs on getting custom rods made?

You'll need to do a lot of work to the block. At 88.5mm the throws hit the side of the cylinders. You'll need to eye-brow them or clearance it somehow. You also need to get 16lbs out of the SDL crank while you're bored.


A set of rods is probably going to be in the 1200dollar ballpark. Just remember you've got a 217.625mm deck height to play with, and a 92.4mm stroke.

Cast pistons are alright if you're not going to turn it that tight. They're more brittle and are less tolerant of detonation than forgies.

Also remember, AMG motors had different intake cams (some say shrick, but I'm not sure I believe that yet), the 3.4 had a ported inlet and exhaust while the 3.6 just had a ported exhaust.

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Thanks for all of the info Bob!

It seems like it could be a fun project, just have to find a good machine shop down here in florida to help me with the block issue. Definitely going to port my exhaust and intake though even before I do the bottom end conversion.

ive got a set of front and rear C32 AMG calipers and as soon as i get to the car (currently out of country) i will be installing those after a re-paint and a set of oem discs and rotors. Should look nice with the evo rims

After a lot of searching over the net, i was able to run my vin!
here is what i got:

Option Code Description
199 blue-black metallic paintwork
211 automatic limited slip differential (ASD)
240 outside temperature indicator
241 left front seat electrically adjustable with memory feature
243 sports seats in front and rear
271 black leather
281 steering wheel with sports design and gearshift in leather trim
291 airbag for driver and front passenger
300 storage box in front tray
412 electric sliding roof with tilting device
425 5-speed automatic transmission
430 headrests in the rear
440 tempomat (cruise control)
441 steering column electrically adjustable
480 self-levelling suspension
531 automatic antenna
543 sun visor with vanity mirror, illuminated
551 anti-theft warning system
580 air conditioner
584 electric window lifters (front and rear doors)
593 heat-insulating glass, all-around, heated rear window pane, single- sheet safety glass, band filter
600 headlamp wiper/washer
620 exhaust emission control
645 M+S tires (snow tires)
673 high-capacity battery
682 fire extinguisher
731 wood trim, burred walnut root
752 radio Mexico 2000 RDS
810 sound package
873 seat heater
877 reading lamp in the rear
915 fuel tank with increased capacity


None of the amg codes! but i think this is due to the fact that this car is a pre-merger car...so no amg codes where available in 1991.

I also got the service or workshop manual for the AMG E/CE/TE 3.4 from germany and it is in german it is titeled: introduction written for the customer service (picture attached)

And finally here is where i did run my vin: http://partscatalog.ru/mercedes

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and finally got the factory dyno graph

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Finally went to Lebanon for a couple of weeks and had some work done.

I got the pre-facelifted hood, grill and headlights installed. I also painted the grill in black and got the amber indicators.

Changed the injectors and seals oem ones, changed the fuel pumps oem ones (wanted to go for the bigger ones but didnt see the real benefits). I also changed the fuel filter and the small filter that goes into the fuel distributor.

The alternator had died, so i got it rebuilded for the moment but im looking for a 150A one.

Changed the rotors and pads front and rear. Since i have the calipers, rotors and pads from a C32 amg, i tried to install it but finally didnt. The pads are exactly the same ones found on my car but the calipers and pistons are double the size and the rotors are larger. So the pads only cover around 50%, i found that a bit weird and decided not to install the C32 setup for now. Is that normal? if yes...why the need of the larger vented rotors if the pads only cover a bit of it?

Started refurbishing the evo 2 wheels...still need painting so didnt install it yet

I will attach a few pictures of the car later on.

I tried to mess a bit with the eha and i can tell the car performance is very sensitiv to it. When i adjusted it to less fuel, the car was running like an M103 2.6 and i got an average of 180 km per 20 liters of fuel!

I have a brand new eha on the way...i will install it next time i work on the car

Curious about the pad size.

The larger rotors will take longer to get to the temperature where braking performance is reduced. And because of larger surface area can dissipate the heat a lot better as well. That is really the only reason to go larger rotors. Assuming operating temps are within limits, the real restriction in braking performance is determined by the quality and grip of the tyres.

a while ago I got a set of bosch pilot yellow foglights and i will be installing these on the amg front bumper see how it looks.
The thing is, they got different part number from the regular bosch foglights that fits on the amg gen 1 front bumper. Here is the part number Bosch 1305620436. while the part number i know it fits is 0305406902 (yellow) and 0305406901 (clear). Or the real amg one with part number HWA 2018200156??
I hope they will fit...they look identical..but the light pattern may be different
(the first two pictures are for the yellows i got, and the two last are for oem hwa parts)

Second, the rear sls suspension, on idle, i hear a clunk from time to time coming from the left rear wheel side. Any ideas of what it could be? what are the part number of the accumulators anyways?

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its the accumulator

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what spark plugs should i get?
on the amg plaque, its written Bosch F6DCO, Champion C7CC.
I think they no longer make those.
I am also planning on changing the spark plug wires too, with oem part (if anyone knows the part number it would help with the online shopping)