It's on 11th Ave., just South of the College--between Overhulse and Kaiser Rds. It sticks out like a sore thumb these days, though when I was a teenager this area was still primarily rural, but the attack of the cookie-cutter developments have laid waste to that bucolic dream.

count on a major famine getting rid of about 75% of the worlds population before Ecotopia could work...

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1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

It's a drawing man, just a drawing.

To us it is.....there are some people who advocate that sort of thing however.

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1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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Section 609 MVAC Certified
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Hey, need help to get Ecotopia from Mapquest. Anyone?

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04 Infiniti G35.5 BS
10 X204

Boner bone, you missed the part where I said everyone MUST NOW ABANDON THEIR HOMES AND HEAD TO THE FIELDS!!

No, but hey, of course we are not going to turn on a dime but changes are happenin' and will NEED to continue happening, cuzzin' we are gradually destroying topsoil and depleting water resources world wide, cousin.

Numerous studies indicate pretty reliably that small, labor intensive ag is much kinder to the soil than big, High tech ag. No, Botnst, I don't want to switch to near starvation style subsistance ag and be at the mercy of the merciless elements day after tomorrow and that's not going to happen.

OTOH, we have this delusion in the west that we can bail out starving peoples in Africa and elsewhere with our ag abundance -- question is, who's going to bail us out when the un-composted manure hits the fan?

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Te futueo et caballum tuum

1986 300SDL, 362K
1984 300D, 138K

A long time ago came a man on a track
Walking thirty miles with a pack on his back
And he put down his load where he thought it was the best
Made a home in the wilderness
He built a cabin and a winter store
And he ploughed up the ground by the cold lake shore
And the other travellers came riding down the track
And they never went further, no, they never went back
Then came the churches then came the schools
Then came the lawyers then came the rules
Then came the trains and the trucks with their loads
And the dirty old track was the telegraph road

Then came the mines - then came the ore
Then there was the hard times then there was a war
Telegraph sang a song about the world outside
Telegraph road got so deep and so wide
Like a rolling river. . .

And my radio says tonight it’s gonna freeze
People driving home from the factories
There’s six lanes of traffic
Three lanes moving slow. . .

I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there’s no work here to be found
Yes and they say we’re gonna have to pay what’s owed
We’re gonna have to reap from some seed that’s been sowed
And the birds up on the wires and the telegraph poles
They can always fly away from this rain and this cold
You can hear them singing out their telegraph code
All the way down the telegraph road

You know I’d sooner forget but I remember those nights
When life was just a bet on a race between the lights
You had your head on my shoulder you had your hand in my hair
Now you act a little colder like you don’t seem to care
But believe in me baby and I’ll take you away
From out of this darkness and into the day
From these rivers of headlights these rivers of rain
From the anger that lives on the streets with these names
’cos I’ve run every red light on memory lane
I’ve seen desperation explode into flames
And I don’t want to see it again. . .

>from all of these signs saying sorry but we’re closed
All the way down the telegraph road

--Mark Knopfler

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'00 ML320 "Casper"
'92 400E "Stella"

Oh...but small laor intensive AG will result in mass starvation of the lazy masses...

without heavily mechanised ag there will not be food surplusses....but huge famines and the only people eating will be the farmers and the very wealthy...

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Proud owner of ....
1971 280SE W108
1979 300SD W116
1983 300D W123
1975 Ironhead Sportster chopper
1987 GMC 3/4 ton 4X4 Diesel
1989 Honda Civic (Heavily modified)
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Section 609 MVAC Certified
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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche