What's up with Israel attacking everybody? - Page 12 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Carleton Hughes · #**166** 07-20-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

We wouldn't have precipitated the need, as have Lebanon and the Palestinians.

Lebabnon and the US are literally worlds apart.

Indeed.

Every morning as I awake I look out toward the harbor,I do not see any dead children floating about,nor can I discern any warships nearby discharging their lethal cargo,guess I'm lucky.

Honus · #**167** 07-20-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Peragro, I wouldn't expect the self-loathing Americans to understand difference between the two situations.

Of all the silly Hannityesque patriotic slogans, "self-loathing Americans" is probably the silliest.

cmac2012 · #**168** 07-20-2006, 02:26 PM

aklim · #**169** 07-20-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin

Of all the silly Hannityesque patriotic slogans, "self-loathing Americans" is probably the silliest.

Dunno. Seems to me that happens quite often. We are often the first to blame ourselves and others seem happy to join in. What would you call it when say the Kyoto Treaty was going on? Others didn't join in or had limited participation and because we didn't want to participate, we were the bad guys. Little was mentioned about others I suppose because it was all us.

cmac2012 · #**170** 07-20-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Lets see, you harbor an enemy who uses your house for a base and what does that make you? An innocent bystander?

You mean like they were bombed in 91 and held back? It does work both ways. They want something back for their restraint then.

The harboring you speak of is difficult for them to stop. Dose the Iraq we occupy harbor terrorists? Why don't we do something about it? Did we harbor terrorists before 9/11, the ones who ultimately attacked us?

What I'm referring to is Israel's attacking of the Lebanese army which was not, had not, attacked them. Smooth move. Repurcussions ahead.

cmac2012 · #**171** 07-20-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Dunno. Seems to me that happens quite often. We are often the first to blame ourselves and others seem happy to join in. What would you call it when say the Kyoto Treaty was going on? Others didn't join in or had limited participation and because we didn't want to participate, we were the bad guys. Little was mentioned about others I suppose because it was all us.

The Hannity brigade never considers that we have made the bed we lie in. We're the greatest nation on earth -- end of story.

GottaDiesel · #**172** 07-20-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

The harboring you speak of is difficult for them to stop. Dose the Iraq we occupy harbor terrorists? Why don't we do something about it? Did we harbor terrorists before 9/11, the ones who ultimately attacked us?

What I'm referring to is Israel's attacking of the Lebanese army which was not, had not, attacked them. Smooth move. Repurcussions ahead.

If you keep pointing out the facts they're going to start calling you an anti-semite.

Arabs are bad. Jews are good. FOX told me so.

cmac2012 · #**173** 07-20-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

Odd bit of bloody trivia whilst browsing the web,aren't we humans wonderful?

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/rnr/184098587.html

Got to raise them chilluns right.

LaughingGravy · #**174** 07-20-2006, 02:34 PM

This will be all over very soon.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.N. chief Kofi Annan called on Thursday for an immediate end to the fighting between Israeli and Hezbollah forces.

Now that Mr. Kofi has spoken, all will be OK. They'll listen, right?
If not, maybe the UN will condemn the fighting. oooooooooh.

I'd be alright with the UN's (lack of) action if they didn't take up 1/2 the available parking spaces in Manhattan.

Maroon 300D · #**175** 07-20-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

It's cool. We used to write messages to others when we bombed the enemy in WWII. If the kids are important to the parents, maybe they should try staying out of the business of harboring those people. Lets see, I don't want to be dragged to jail so maybe I won't agree to harbor my cousin who is a known escaped felon.

I have to disagree with you here. What I see in those pictures is decidedly uncool.

aklim · #**176** 07-20-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

The harboring you speak of is difficult for them to stop. Dose the Iraq we occupy harbor terrorists? Why don't we do something about it? Did we harbor terrorists before 9/11, the ones who ultimately attacked us?

What I'm referring to is Israel's attacking of the Lebanese army which was not, had not, attacked them. Smooth move. Repurcussions ahead.

I dunno. I suppose it is difficult to stop terrorists WHEN YOU INVITE THEM IN. Refresh my memory. Did we raise the banners and welcome mat for the 911 terrorists? Yes, if they sneak in I cannot expect you to get each and every one. However, when you know they are there and invite them in, what do you expect me to think? That they are there for the water and scenery?

So I'll wait for you to retaliate for running into your country before I shoot you. Sure. I would neutralize the army before I send troops in, if it were me. After all, you have shown your hand by being hand in glove with these people. What do you expect me to believe your army will do? Just stand by idly and watch from the sidelines?

aklim · #**177** 07-20-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

The Hannity brigade never considers that we have made the bed we lie in. We're the greatest nation on earth -- end of story.

sorry. Never watched that show. I never said we are infallable either. However it seems to me that when someone else does a certain thing, well, it is ok. When we do the same thing, suddenly we condem ourselves as the bad guy that caused the world to collapse.

GottaDiesel · #**178** 07-20-2006, 02:40 PM

We invited them here when we decided to support Israel.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

It's called war -- and we got involved.

aklim · #**179** 07-20-2006, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GottaDiesel

We invited them here when we decided to support Israel.

The friend of my enemy is my enemy.

It's called war -- and we got involved.

The problem is that it is all global now. If we support Isreal, it gets us some benifits. Namely a staging ground for other wild and wonderful things, intelligence, etc, etc. We can send people there for questioning and wash our hands of what happens to them too. We also got them to hold off shooting back at Hussien during Gulf War I. However, NILIF, so you have to pay for it at some other time. If we didn't support them, well, that is also a decision that will have some bad consequences. Everything you do is a decision that will have impact of some sort. You can support, oppose or remain neutral. However it is also a decison that will come back with some unpleasant side effects. There is no free lunch which will allow you to stand back and do nothing and have all the benifits. Think about it. If my wife treated me like anybody on the street, would she be special to me and hence get some of the benifits that the other guy on the street won't get? I think not.

OK. Using that logic, Lebanon invited Isreal to do something. Since the enemy of Isreal is harbored by Lebanon that makes them the friend of their enemy and therefore an enemy of Isreal.

We will get involved one way or the other. There are no simple answers that will transcend time. It is all about the right answer for NOW. Regimes change, things change. Today's right answer may be tomorrow's wrong answer and vice versa. IT would be nice to say "If I do this, that happens and so it will be for all time." but reality bites.

Honus · #**180** 07-20-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Dunno. Seems to me that happens quite often. We are often the first to blame ourselves and others seem happy to join in. What would you call it when say the Kyoto Treaty was going on? Others didn't join in or had limited participation and because we didn't want to participate, we were the bad guys. Little was mentioned about others I suppose because it was all us.

Kyoto seems much more complicated than that, but your point is valid. Plenty of Americans loathe their own country, but consider how silly BenzLGB's comment was. I said:

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Originally Posted by dculkin

...The remarkable thing about it is how unremarkable it seems to have our Marines just showing up in a foreign country. Imagine any other country trying to land their soldiers in the US.

In response, peragro pointed out the difference between the US and Lebanon. BenzLGB said that self-loathing Americans would not be able to see the difference. Now, you and I are going to disagree on most issues, but we should be able to agree that my innocuous comment has nothing to do with self-loathing. Right?