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BENZ-LGB · #16 07-13-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Siduri19

Muchas Gracias por la lession El Capitan... Now Bush and diplomacy don't belong in the same sentence and how long is it before those two prisoners end up dead in Iran and then the real fight is on. this is gonna be one big mess WW3...

Sid

De nada.

What? You don't think Bush is channeling Teddy Roosevelt? Speak softly and carry a big stick. Or in Bush's case speak mangledly and carry a big stick.

The soldiers are worth a lot more alive than dead. If one of the them is harmed, watch out!

Jews are fierce about protecting their people, but they are also good at negotiating...a deal will be brokered so that all sides will save face. Although Israel can kick ass, the cost of warfare is still pretty high. Even Israelis are getting tired of all the fighting. I would too if I lived in Israel.

BENZ-LGB · #17 07-13-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf

I think WW3 has allready started. And it is the war on terrorism. We are not the only ones dealing with it, it is a world wide problem. Because radical groups are not organized into large military groups as a nation, it doesn't look like warfare. But make no mistake, it is.

I agree.

JMela · #18 07-13-2006, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Siduri19

Do you (I should say when) think the US will get involved.

Israel is the top recipient of US financial and millitary aid, receiving upwards of $3 billion annually = we're involved already.

Mistress · #19 07-13-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

De nada.

What? You don't think Bush is channeling Teddy Roosevelt? Speak softly and carry a big stick. Or in Bush's case speak mangledly and carry a big stick.

The soldiers are worth a lot more alive than dead. If one of the them is harmed, watch out!

Jews are fierce about protecting their people, but they are also good at negotiating...a deal will be brokered so that all sides will save face. Although Israel can kick ass, the cost of warfare is still pretty high. Even Israelis are getting tired of all the fighting. I would too if I lived in Israel.

I long to visit the Cliffs at Petra, take a camel ride around the pyramids of Egypt but this Jew girl ain't going anywhere till this fighting is done. Maybe on my 90th birthdya eigh? Thanks for the history lesson all you guys are great and your insight into these matters is very enlightening, better than any class i ever took!

GottaDiesel · #20 07-13-2006, 04:53 PM

WANT '71 280SEL · #21 07-13-2006, 06:48 PM

I just heard on the news that the rocket, scratch that..., missile that hit Haiffa (sp?) was launched from Lebanon by some Iranian revolutionary forces. I also heard something on the news that Iran is tied into this conflict in other ways as well. This is not looking good for us infidels.

Thanks
David

peragro · #22 07-13-2006, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf

I think WW3 has allready started. And it is the war on terrorism. We are not the only ones dealing with it, it is a world wide problem. Because radical groups are not organized into large military groups as a nation, it doesn't look like warfare. But make no mistake, it is.

That's why it has it's own acronym, GWOT. A major problem therein is that many people in this country refuse to acknowledge that we are, in fact, involved in a war. It is the clash between two radically different world view points. Fuedelisms last hurrah on one side and freedom on the other. Instead we listen to ad nauseum commentary about how "Palestine" and other (actual) middle eastern countries are just defending themselves and just want to get along. Not to mention the endless blather regarding "american imperialism", everything being "our fault to begin with" and of course the ever popular slang phrase for a hairpiece which is now banned in this forum.

Hatterasguy · #23 07-13-2006, 07:32 PM

Here is a good quote from a recent movie:

"100 years ago you people were living in tents and killing eachother, 100 years from now you will be doing the same"

Once the oil runs out this problem will be solved.

It took the Europeans thousands of years of killing eachother before they gave up, Isreal and the rest of the Middle East will probably be going at it 50 or 100 years from now.

davidmash · #24 07-13-2006, 08:23 PM

I feel that is a bit too simplistic for my taste. The statement seems to imply that we, the supposed good guys in this story, are as pure as the driven snow, of pure heart and soul, seeking only to improve the world. The bad guys on the other hand are just plain evil to the core, have no reason to be angry … blah blah blah.

I do not buy that, at least not entirely. There are repercussions for any actions taken. We supported the Shaw of Iran with weapons and intelligence, he pissed off his populace to the degree that they ran him out of town and now people are angry at us. We did the same thing in Cuba, Chile and numerous other countries. Israel was selling arm to Pretoria and there may one day be a back lash based on that. We are by no means completely innocent and the bad guys are not completely bad.

Are we in a war? Maybe we are. If we are, it is not a war that will be won on any battle front. There is none. This is like a computer virus that infects an entire network. You can bomb all the countries you want and it may or may not set the ‘movement’ back a bit but, in my opinion, it will not die. In order to kill it, you would have to be willing to sacrifice your self as well. Like wiping a hard drive clean and starting over. The only way I see this ending is by people sitting down and talking. Egypt and Israel sat down, came to an agreement and there has been no (as far as I know) conflict between the two for over 20 years. Not everyone will sit down but if enough do, those who do not will be left out in the cold with no representation. Then again, maybe all the talking and all the bombs in the world will not solve the problem and wiping the hard drive is all we can hope for. I shudder at the thought of seeing a mushroom cloud rising over Damascus or Teheran but perhaps that is what it will take. I hope that is not how it ends up for all our sakes.

I do not think the fate of the solders will have much of a bearing on how things unfold. IMO, the deciding factor will be the reactions of Iran and Syria. If Syria sneezes the wrong way then there will be a problem. Iran is stupid but I don’t think they really want to push this too far. So far they have talked a good game but I do not think they are prepared to back up their words, at least not yet. I have always felt the solders were already dead anyway. They may be breathing, but they are dead.

BENZ-LGB · #25 07-13-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

That's why it has it's own acronym, GWOT. A major problem therein is that many people in this country refuse to acknowledge that we are, in fact, involved in a war. It is the clash between two radically different world view points. Fuedelisms last hurrah on one side and freedom on the other. Instead we listen to ad nauseum commentary about how "Palestine" and other (actual) middle eastern countries are just defending themselves and just want to get along. Not to mention the endless blather regarding "american imperialism", everything being "our fault to begin with" and of course the ever popular slang phrase for a hairpiece which is now banned in this forum.

This couldn't have been better written if I had written it myself.

Your comment about "feudalism's last hurrah" is right on target. If the enemies of Israel (and by default our enemies) have their way, they will drag moderm civilization back to the Dark Ages.

I have no problem with people wanting to live in a feudalistic, Dark Ages world. But go rot in your own world and leave the rest of the civilized world alone!

There will always be people (just read what some have written in this thread and elsewhere on this board) who will blame the US, will blame Western Europe, will blame the Jews, will blame everyone else BUT the real culprits. Israel has gone out of its way to try to help Palestinians (remember that NO Arab country wants the Palestinians in their midsts). Likewise the US provides tons of financial aid to Palestinia. What does Israel and the US get in return for their generosity: more and more and more terrorists attacks.

I am with you Peragro, I get so tired of reading the garbage that passes for "reasoned opinion" that seeks to blame Israel, the US, Europe, the Man on the Moon, et al. and fails to focus on the real wrongdoers. People seem to forget that Jews were, and still are, being persecuted all over the world, just for being Jews. People also tend to conveniently forget that Jews were, and still are, at the forefront of the civil rights movement in this country. I do not recall any Arabs or Palestinians going to the South, in the 50s and 60s to help out in the fight for civil rights. Israel is surrounded by countries populated by people and governments that have only one goal: the destruction of Israel and the extermination of all Jews (just read what the Iranian dictator has been saying for the past few years). Israel has every right to defend itself by all necessary means.

Hattie also has it right when he talks about the fact that these people have power only because they sit on top of large oil reserves. Were it not for their oil they would just be camel herders.

We need to end our dependence on foreign oil. We need to find and use alternative fuels. In the 20s, Germany found ways to convert coal into oil. That technology has been around since the 1920s. We sit atop the world's largest coal reserves, so it is high time we use what we have. We also need to find ways to use nuclear energy. We must do whatever it takes, along with conservation, to lessen our obscene dependence on oil from unstable, criminal and abusive foreign governments.

I just want to be able one day to flip these people off and tell them to shove their oil up their a@@ and then set it on fire....

TheDon · #26 07-13-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Surf-n-Turf

I think WW3 has allready started. And it is the war on terrorism. We are not the only ones dealing with it, it is a world wide problem. Because radical groups are not organized into large military groups as a nation, it doesn't look like warfare. But make no mistake, it is.

it is not WWIII until the press calls it that.. the second world war was not in fact called WWII at the time.. it was called that in the history books if i recall correctly.

looking at pics on cnn.com i can clearly make out a W124 in one pic of lebanese people fleeing to the border... make way for the mercedes benz!

cmac2012 · #27 07-14-2006, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by peragro

That's why it has it's own acronym, GWOT. A major problem therein is that many people in this country refuse to acknowledge that we are, in fact, involved in a war. It is the clash between two radically different world view points. Fuedelisms last hurrah on one side and freedom on the other. Instead we listen to ad nauseum commentary about how "Palestine" and other (actual) middle eastern countries are just defending themselves and just want to get along. Not to mention the endless blather regarding "american imperialism", everything being "our fault to begin with" and of course the ever popular slang phrase for a hairpiece which is now banned in this forum.

There are plenty of times I think the Jews should just deal out death to those uncivilized hoards and push their borders outwards and quadruple their territory. Then I consider that Jewish and Western involvement in the middle east occurred because we inserted ourselves into the region. How many Ay-rabs were venturing into Europe or the U.S. between 1900 and 1948? Damn few. And none of them were acting like they were the new landlords or overseers of precious resources.

My good experiences ratio with Jews vs. Arabs is about 95/5. Still, I worry that the ultimate right is not completely on our side. In such cases, it's hard to win, methinks.