Programmer Testifies! Elections rigged! - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

JamesDean · #1 08-31-2006, 04:32 PM

shouldnt this be on CNN or somthing big? so that everyone knows?

i think we are actually still using the same voting machines

http://www.guerrillanews.com/headlines/10754/Programmer_Finally_Testifies_U_S_Elections_Rigged

riethoven · #2 08-31-2006, 04:47 PM

I would not doubt that this happened, but more and more,. I don't trust the press either. If it is for real than the Democrats really blew it if they didn;t use this.

Botnst · #3 08-31-2006, 05:32 PM

There are people who have sworn affidavits that they saw actual flying saucers and communicated with the dead. What they lack is corroborating evidence.

Newspapers and TV newsrooms make money off of readership and viewership, both of which greatly increase during times of controversy. No newspaper or TV news would suppress that. Quite the opposite, they'd jump all over it.

Look at Dan Rather. He had a guy with a sworn affidavit, and he went public with no corroboration.

Either conspiracies are everywhere or things are pretty much just as they seem.

B

TwitchKitty · #4 08-31-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Newspapers and TV newsrooms make money off of readership and viewershipB

Actually they don't, they make money from advertisement.

peragro · #5 08-31-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

Actually they don't, they make money from advertisement.

Come on now, take it one more step....

Who is the advertising aimed at???

Botnst · #6 08-31-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by peragro

Come on now, take it one more step....

Who is the advertising aimed at???

Oh-ohoh!! MEEEEEeeeeee, call on me!!!! I know!!

B

JamesDean · #7 08-31-2006, 05:39 PM

here is a PDF of the sworn affidavit....

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/12/images/CC_Affidavit_120604.pdf

Botnst · #8 08-31-2006, 06:01 PM

Like I said previously, anybody can swear to anything. Corroboration is the key.

Without that, it's a festering issue.

Think about what Dan Rather learned about affidavits before you become wedded to this one.

B

PS Not saying it's impossible. But in the absence of any credible, independent corroborating evidence I think conspiracy theorists are the only ones who will buy into this.

BENZ-LGB · #9 08-31-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Like I said previously, anybody can swear to anything. Corroboration is the key.

Without that, it's a festering issue.

Think about what Dan Rather learned about affidavits before you become wedded to this one.

B

PS Not saying it's impossible. But in the absence of any credible, independent corroborating evidence I think conspiracy theorists are the only ones who will buy into this.

Didn't that nutcase Karr sign a confession?

There you go...he killed her then.

Bot, shouldn't you be watching Oprah right about now?

JamesDean · #10 08-31-2006, 06:08 PM

well after seeing this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-kaplan/how-to-hack-a-diebold-vot_b_26301.html

its very probable that the election was infact rigged.

edit: here are some close up high res shots of the motherboard of the machine...
click picutures to see them.

http://www.openvotingfoundation.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=1

Emmerich · #11 08-31-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

here is a PDF of the sworn affidavit....

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/12/images/CC_Affidavit_120604.pdf

This guy said several things that are incorrect. First you can decompile any program to get back to its source so just because its compiled does not mean anything is hidden.

The second is the general premise of how the fraud works, he says when a candidate is behind then the votes are reshuffled. How would a single machine know whats on the other machines? It would only know its own totals, you can bet your ass they aren't connected by wires to any other location during the voting.

And he said he was hired to rig the elction in 2000 in S Florida. Dindn't we all see the vote problems there were caused by paper ballots? Plus, how would Bush know S. Florida would make a difference? If Al Gore had won his own district in Tennessee, Florida would not matter.

And exactly how does one install this software on the machines? Do you go to the company that makes them and say "here install this, trust me"? No way. I am sure the hardware company programs it as well.

It does not take a lot of common sense to shoot this guy down.

BENZ-LGB · #12 08-31-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

This guy said several things that are incorrect. First you can decompile any program to get back to its source so just because its compiled does not mean anything is hidden.

The second is the general premise of how the fraud works, he says when a candidate is behind then the votes are reshuffled. How would a single machine know whats on the other machines? It would only know its own totals, you can bet your ass they aren't connected by wires to any other location during the voting.

And he said he was hired to rig the elction in 2000 in S Florida. Dindn't we all see the vote problems there were caused by paper ballots? Plus, how would Bush know S. Florida would make a difference? If Al Gore had won his own district in Tennessee, Florida would not matter.

And exactly how does one install this software on the machines? Do you go to the company that makes them and say "here install this, trust me"? No way. I am sure the hardware company programs it as well.

It does not take a lot of common sense to shoot this guy down.

Exacto mondo!!! Heyyyyyyyyy

Matt L · #13 09-01-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

you can decompile any program to get back to its source so just because its compiled does not mean anything is hidden.

You can decompile a program down to "a" source. Not "its" source. It certainly won't be very readable, and that's assuming that only an optimizer was used in the compiler back-end. Consider if they use an obfuscator.

It's not impossible to deciper such things, but it's not easy at all. Since there's a lead time for this (say, from the software release date until the election), making it hard is enough.

TwitchKitty · #14 09-01-2006, 04:38 PM

Catching up on my beauty sleep and packing for the long weekend.

It is the same old mistake. News organizations are not information services; they are marketing and PR organizations. They sell labels. One minute they are selling you Kleenex and the next minute they are selling you Patriot Act. Labels, not products, not information.

People keep making the mistake that the news services are there to inform you and they are not. For example, General Electric owns NBC. You will not hear anything on NBC that puts your interests ahead of the interests of General Electric or any of their affiliates.

Here is a link to an article that mentions who owns what media outlets. I know nothing of the site or the article; it was just a quick hit on a google search. google: ge owns cbs

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php

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Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM

So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who owns what you think.......

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Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
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* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
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* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
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* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power industry.
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Television Holdings:
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* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
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DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E, History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
Other Holdings:
* Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
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TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warner–the largest merger in corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA, Sub Pop (distribution) = the world’s largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style, Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics (50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship Wrestling.
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NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox, Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India; Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan (80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post, the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
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* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).

*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*

Emmerich · #15 09-02-2006, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt L

You can decompile a program down to "a" source. Not "its" source. It certainly won't be very readable, and that's assuming that only an optimizer was used in the compiler back-end. Consider if they use an obfuscator.

It's not impossible to deciper such things, but it's not easy at all. Since there's a lead time for this (say, from the software release date until the election), making it hard is enough.

Yup, it might not be easy, but possible. I would imagine that any program goes through vigorous testing by a third party to find any sort of mistake. Plus, I would think whoever paid for the program would want the source, after all they paid for it.