Lt. Commander Data speaks like that.

A world with no propositions entails a world with no logic.

Nothing exists.

I agree though, unequivocally, that Beethoven really is better than Mozart. Beethoven was a hundred times the composer that Mozart was.

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Precisely why I thought it conceded all the ground to Buddhism.

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This thread has made me think the ontological argument is pretty interesting. Since 'Nothing exists' doesn't make any sense since the noun 'nothing' is something, it implies there actually 'is' something. Hence if something really 'is' in the strongest sense, it must be God.
So the choices are to avoid language altogether, or accept the view that language implies God.

All languages imply the Absolute.

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Now go back to the Jesus wasn't resurected thread and apoligise.

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I didn't read the OP, I have to get my reading glasses
But, what I see reminds me of an episode when I was a little boy.

Sombody had written on a trashcan "Nobody is perfect".

So, me not knowing much of anything, thought:
'Wow, I wonder who is this mysterious person, called Nobody'

Well, youth, sweet youth....

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I'm happy just to worship nouns and verbs while allowing adjectives and adverbs to serve as saints.

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1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Catma: Relative metabeliefs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgioUGVQF8

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In the 'Nothing exists' problem is it that nothing exists or that nothing exists... how about 'no thing exists?'

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Either way, some 'thing' is uttering or writing the sentence so we get pushed back into the dilemma's of being and language. Language is not going to let either us or God or objects not exist.

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1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

exist-
1. To have actual being; be real.
...

seems it's a question of the 'actuality' or the 'realness'

I've allways felt it wasn't necessarily a great idea to keep it real all the time.

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Yes. I'm under the impression that EPrime is just trying to avoid the problem. Minimize the use of 'to be' and the problem might disappear into the background.
Our language assumes that things are real (nouns) and they move or effect other things(verbs). I think this causes the questions such as "What does it mean to be real" or "How real are real things?" There doesn't seem to be any straightforward easy answer to those questions, but I see no point in covering them up, particularly since we draw distinctions all the time between more and less real things (dreams vs. material objects).

What does it mean to be? To be the subject of a meaningful true proposition????

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1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Nothing or no thing?

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Know thing?

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http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/831799-post13.html
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/831807-post14.html

Sgt. Schultz was a Buddhist?

http://frogstar.soylentgeek.com/wav/nothing.wav

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