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BENZ-LGB · #**136** 06-10-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Maybe so in your opinion but either I will be pleasantly surprised (few and far between) or expecting the problems.

To live your life expecting the worse at every turn is sad.

I'd just as soon eat a bullet than live like that.

Brian Carlton · #**137** 06-10-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

To live your life expecting the worse at every turn is sad.

I'd just as soon eat a bullet than live like that.

Well.........the upside is that the man suffers no disappointments.........

BENZ-LGB · #**138** 06-10-2007, 04:48 PM

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So if the Sheriff clears the jails for reasons within his jurisdiction he is contempt of court?

Read my posts on the subject.

There was a direct, clear and unambiguous court order on the subject.

To act, sua sponte and contramand a direct court order is contempt of court.

California Penal Code Sec. 166 states, inter alia:

§ 166. Criminal contempts...

(a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b), (c), and (d), every person guilty of any contempt of court, of any of the following kinds, is guilty of a misdemeanor:

... .

(4) Willful disobedience of the terms as written of any process or court order or out-of-state court order, lawfully issued by any court, including orders pending trial.

(5) Resistance willfully offered by any person to the lawful order or process of any court.

Subsections 4 and 5 probably cover the Sheriff's actions.

Your comment regarding "class envy" is patently absurd and does not deserve a reply.

Given the fact that the outrage regarding the Sheriff's action was widespread, instantanuous and universal, "class envy" is not even an issue.

If you want to think it is class envy then (as Carlos wrote) so be it.

Whether you think this is a case of class envy does not, however, change the fact that the L.A. D.A. is a celebrity whore. It is not just my opinion, it is an opinion widely shared by many others.

BENZ-LGB · #**139** 06-10-2007, 04:49 PM

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Well.........the upside is that the man suffers no disappointments.........

True...

Botnst · #**140** 06-10-2007, 05:10 PM

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...And what is wrong with egalitarianism in punishment? Punishment must fit the crime and all similarly situated people should be punished in a similar way...

The same thing that's wrong with minimum sentencing and removal or attenuation of discretionary sentencing -- it removes the human from the equation and turns justice into law. Are mistakes made in discretionary sentencing? Undoubtedly -- humans make mistakes, it's all part of the human condition. In court, I'd rather be tried by humans and sentenced by humans than by a justice machine. The notion of, "Convicted of XXX do YYY" is frighteningly simplistic to me.

Don't like the notion of Paris in an orange jumper, pooper-scooping with the other drunks and scofflaws? Hey, that's fine with me. Put her in the box is fine with me too. But I think you misjudge the importance to celebrities of the status they enjoy in the public eye.

The worst possible thing that could have happen to a Paris Hilton is not that porno of her hit the internet. Far worse for her would have been nobody giving a *****. Those people are in a sense, like a politician -- they thrive on public interest in their lives and in their Olympian pronouncements. They really do believe that everything they say or do is important. And fools that we are, we reinforce that belief by our unstoppable adoration. We make them important in our lives, certainly not the reverse.

The key to success in punishment of people of this sort is to remove from them the aura of celebrity and importance. Martha Stewart is still a very important celebrity because the justice system targeted something that left the public adoration undiminished. But the sentencing was within the guidelines. In Stewart's case, was justice served or was law served?

Mistress · #**141** 06-10-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

To live your life expecting the worse at every turn is sad.

I'd just as soon eat a bullet than live like that.

How's about a few whippings instead, this country still needs good prosecutors such as yourself El Jefe...

BENZ-LGB · #**142** 06-10-2007, 06:28 PM

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How's about a few whippings instead, this country still needs good prosecutors such as yourself El Jefe...

Are you volunteering to administer them????

Mistress · #**143** 06-10-2007, 06:32 PM

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Are you volunteering to administer them????

Like you had to ask...honestly...

aklim · #**144** 06-10-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

Well.........the upside is that the man suffers no disappointments.........

Yep. No disappointments and only pleasant surprises for the most part.

aklim · #**145** 06-10-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

To live your life expecting the worse at every turn is sad.

I'd just as soon eat a bullet than live like that.

I expect the worst from people. Not everything. Just people. Therefore, my calculations usually include those. Anything else that somebody does is icing on the cake.

Brian Carlton · #**146** 06-10-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yep. No disappointments and only pleasant surprises for the most part.

No disappointments and only occasional pleasant surprises..........by definition.

There are no other options................

However, I have some experience in walking around thinking that most people are a bunch of morons. It's not a pretty situation.

You can extrapolate the same behavior toward people who will behave badly or do you harm............

BENZ-LGB · #**147** 06-10-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mistress

Like you had to ask...honestly...

Where do I sign up for my session???

Jim B. · #**148** 06-10-2007, 11:41 PM

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You and Howi have your own views of what "humiliation" means to celebrities. I think that you are both wrong. Being out in public, in your orange suit, picking up leaves and trash by the side of the freeway would just become another photo op.

No big deal for these people.

Having to sit in a small cell, sleeping on a tiny, hard bed, taking a crap in a small, stainless steel toilet, waking up when you are told to wake up, going to bed when you are told to go to bed, having to take you rmeals when you are told to (or just don't eat then), having to mind the guard (yes sir and no sir), etc., etc., etc...that is puishment and humiliation.

In Orwell's 1984 punishment was tailor-made. You take away what a man loves the most or you make him face what he fears the most. That is punishment.

Fpr PH, to go about and do whatever she wants and being able to order people around---that is what she seems to love the most.

Incarceration takes it away from her, for however short a period of time.

That's true punishment.

And what is wrong with egalitarianism in punishment? Punishment must fit the crime and all similarly situated people should be punished in a similar way.

I do not gloat over another person's misery (well, I would like Castro and his ilk suffer a slow, painful and long death, but that is just personal). But after watching PH strutting around with her pouty face, it sure felt good to see her whining face in the back of the patrol car.

If just one celebrity and celebrity wanna be gets teh message that if you f**k with the law the law will f**k with you, then it was all worthwhile!

Well stated (again!!) There's a good argument that in this particular situation the punishment does indeed fit the crime and that similarly situated people need to be treated equally.

Sheriff Baca needs to be aware of this, and from what has come out lately, and from Mel Gibson's bout with the law, the LASD sometimes evidently appears to be protecting celebrities.

This latest caper seems to have brought the issue to a head, and the Sheriff seems to have been contravening a direct sentencing order of the Court. This he does at his peril.

Publicity and public relations are only one aspect, and not a critically defining one, in the administration of jail procedures. A Judge's direct order in sentencing takes precedence over all of that.

Properly noticed motions to modify a sentence may be made anytime, by Criminal defense counsel.

The Sheriff still needs to be held accountable here.

Pretty nasty stuff:
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/06/10/2007-06-10_sheriff_has_reality_all_of_his_own-1.html

cmac2012 · #**149** 06-11-2007, 07:21 AM

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WTF? It's all hypothetical and you're arguing with a hypothetical by using another hypothetical? Good grief!

Maybe she'll get hit by a meteor. Ya ever think of that? Huh? What would they say then? I know, they'd say, "I told you she'd get hit by a meteor!"

Are you talking to me? What hypothetical? If she's in an orange jumpsuit on a freeway, the paparazzi crush could well result in an accident. Did you see the insane crush around the patrol car leaving the courthouse with her in the backseat??!

And isn't your speculation about her doing community service, being humbled in an orange vest, a hypothetical on a hypothetical?

Jeez, take a few deep breaths . . . .

cmac2012 · #**150** 06-11-2007, 07:25 AM

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OMG...it finally happened. Carlos and I are seeing eye-to-eye on every single point in one issue.

Check the planetary alignment, something big is about to happen.

I think it's something in my diet.

Think, think, cmac, what are you doing wrong?

Oh hey, if she had done something like this in 1600s England, with the power of that kind of money and position, she wouldn't have had to drape her lily white powdered buttocks over a stainless steel toilet.

The prosecutor and judge might have suffered a worse fate, however, had they tried to hand down such punishment.