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aklim · #**121** 06-10-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Your poor opinion of elected officials (and of people in general) notwithstanding there are in fact elected officials who conduct themseleves with honesty, rectitude and a high degree of morality.

Yes there are if you add the word "relative" before their good conduct. Further to that, they are not as many as the crooks from what I have seen.

BENZ-LGB · #**122** 06-10-2007, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Yes there are if you add the word "relative" before their good conduct. Further to that, they are not as many as the crooks from what I have seen.

I feel sad for you. Your world is so bleak.

Good luck!

cmac2012 · #**123** 06-10-2007, 04:54 AM

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Baca is widely regarded as the worst-ever L.A. Sheriff and, as I have stated before, he is disliked by his own deputies.

By comparison, his predecessor (Sherman Block) was well-liked, well-respected and a man of integrity.

FWIW, I get a lousy hit from the guy on TV. Weird energy.

When I talk about liability a la miss Paris, I'm thinking something like her getting whooped when she's out on her 1 hour break. If she were to get injured, oh my God, cable news would run with that for weeks.

cmac2012 · #**124** 06-10-2007, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

This whole thing is stupid IMO. It's more of a class envy issue than legal issue if the elected Sheriff decided to put her on home confinement so be it. I bet its a PIA for the guards to protect her its a waste of valuable resources IMO.

I am a bit prejudiced because of my opinion on confinement overall. I think that sentences should be served to benefit society. In Paris Hiltons case LA county would be much better served if her notoriety was used to help. Martha Stewart was another example how did society benefit from her jail term vs. the alternate of her helping battered women start their own business and take control of their lives?

Martha may have done some of that in jail. I'd be interested to know how many non-famous males with roughly the exact charges she had get as much time as she did.

There may be a bit of class envy but I think the divine Miss H. adds a lot to that with the way she thumbs her nose at regular life. Like getting a DUI is just a nuisance; "my people didn't tell me I couldn't drive . . . "

cmac2012 · #**125** 06-10-2007, 05:02 AM

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I couldn't disagree more with your statements.

I was upset with the initial turn of events. I do not have Hilton-money, never have, never will (unless I win El Gordo -- the Big One). But I do OK and I was aggravated by the Sheriff's actions. Many people who are similarly situated were equally upset. No a single drop of class envy here.

The Sheriff violated a clear, direct and unambiguous court order. He is in contempt of court, plain and simple. This is not even a close close.

Paris' jail sentence has a significant and important deterrent effect. First, other pseudo celebrities, starlets and air heads have heard the message loud and clear: fight the law and the law will win. If you lived here in So. Cal., and especially in certai ares of So. Cal. you have to deal with loud, obnoxious celebs and near-celebs who think they own the world. go to any restaurant in Malibu and you see these jackasses acting like they own the cops, like the own you and me and like the own the world. Seeing one of their kind being dragged away, crying "mommy!!!" should have some sort of deterrent effect.

Second, Paris jail sentence will have (I hope) a deterrent effect on other criminals. Right about now they should be thingking: "If it could happen to Paris, it could happen to me." Her early release just had the oposite effect.

Talk $h!t.

aklim · #**126** 06-10-2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

I feel sad for you. Your world is so bleak.

Good luck!

Maybe so in your opinion but either I will be pleasantly surprised (few and far between) or expecting the problems.

Medmech · #**127** 06-10-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

I couldn't disagree more with your statements.

I was upset with the initial turn of events. I do not have Hilton-money, never have, never will (unless I win El Gordo -- the Big One). But I do OK and I was aggravated by the Sheriff's actions. Many people who are similarly situated were equally upset. No a single drop of class envy here.

The Sheriff violated a clear, direct and unambiguous court order. He is in contempt of court, plain and simple. This is not even a close close.

Paris' jail sentence has a significant and important deterrent effect. First, other pseudo celebrities, starlets and air heads have heard the message loud and clear: fight the law and the law will win. If you lived here in So. Cal., and especially in certai ares of So. Cal. you have to deal with loud, obnoxious celebs and near-celebs who think they own the world. go to any restaurant in Malibu and you see these jackasses acting like they own the cops, like the own you and me and like the own the world. Seeing one of their kind being dragged away, crying "mommy!!!" should have some sort of deterrent effect.

Second, Paris jail sentence will have (I hope) a deterrent effect on other criminals. Right about now they should be thingking: "If it could happen to Paris, it could happen to me." Her early release just had the oposite effect.

So if the Sheriff clears the jails for reasons within his jurisdiction he is contempt of court? I'm not going to argue the point because I have no clue what his powers are but who decides which inmates are released when the jail is crowded.

The rest of your post is pure class envy and you made my point. I don't give a rats ass about notoriety, fame, wealth or any of that other BS. Like I said before I judge ALL people by what they contribute to society and think that the legal system we have is so focused on punishment that the debt to society portion is long gone.

If LA had that chain gang program like the AZ sheriff and she was picking up trash or dog crap at the dog park I would be satisfied but throwing her into a cell with guards watching her 24/7 is ****** stupid imo.

Botnst · #**128** 06-10-2007, 12:50 PM

Incarceration is not (or should not be) the only recourse for punishment of criminals. The only good that can come of Hilton in the jailhouse is to demonstrate egalitarianism in punishment. But for this crime and for people like her, public humiliation is far greater punishment and more effective.

Weekends in an orange jumpsuit and toting a trash bag and a pooper-scooper would do nicely to that end.

Medmech · #**129** 06-10-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Incarceration is not (or should not be) the only recourse for punishment of criminals. The only good that can come of Hilton in the jailhouse is to demonstrate egalitarianism in punishment. But for this crime and for people like her, public humiliation is far greater punishment and more effective.

Weekends in an orange jumpsuit and toting a trash bag and a pooper-scooper would do nicely to that end.

Exactamondo,

PH's was not eating because she did not want to take a dump and have it posted on the internet -public humiliation- if you want to ***** slap celebs into compliance with the law show pictures of them emptying trash cans and scooping poop, serving lunch at the Salvation Army ect ect.

Brian Carlton · #**130** 06-10-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Maybe so in your opinion but either I will be pleasantly surprised (few and far between) or expecting the problems.

Their is a valid argument that states that people will rise to your expectations.

I don't necessarily ascribe to it in all circumstances, however, there is ample evidence that it exists in a corporate environment with the supervisor/employee dynamic.

I realize that you're not an employee, however, you might contemplate the argument and see how it may apply to you.

yal · #**131** 06-10-2007, 02:45 PM

Aklim I think you think I care about whether she goes to jail or not, just to waylay your fears, I DO NOT! I couldn't give a damn! lol

I just find it amusing that this has become such a fiasco. Thats why I wrote "It just gets better". Heck if I had some payola in the Sheriff's pocket I would hope the bastard helped me out. We look down on countries like Nigeria and Indonesia and say look how corrupt they are, but corruption is a constant variable in any human society unfortunately, from nepotism to bribery, and we are no exception.

I just find it funny that they are interrupting my regular scheduled programs for this crap

cmac2012 · #**132** 06-10-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Incarceration is not (or should not be) the only recourse for punishment of criminals. The only good that can come of Hilton in the jailhouse is to demonstrate egalitarianism in punishment. But for this crime and for people like her, public humiliation is far greater punishment and more effective.

Weekends in an orange jumpsuit and toting a trash bag and a pooper-scooper would do nicely to that end.

Paris Hilton in an orange jumpsuit along public roadways would result in such a paparazzi scrum and circus of the curious that public safety would be imperiled.

The lady, and many of her ilk, think they're above the law. Her family money and privilege have allowed her to skate up to this point, hence her utter disbelief that she is being held to account. A few weeks in jail might be the only thing that will sober her up, literally and figuratively. It's unfortunate that the legal system has to substitute for good parenting (a badly needed timeout) but that's often the case, unfortunately.

If that's class envy, then Ahm guilty.

Botnst · #**133** 06-10-2007, 03:51 PM

WTF? It's all hypothetical and you're arguing with a hypothetical by using another hypothetical? Good grief!

Maybe she'll get hit by a meteor. Ya ever think of that? Huh? What would they say then? I know, they'd say, "I told you she'd get hit by a meteor!"

BENZ-LGB · #**134** 06-10-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Weekends in an orange jumpsuit and toting a trash bag and a pooper-scooper would do nicely to that end.

You and Howi have your own views of what "humiliation" means to celebrities. I think that you are both wrong. Being out in public, in your orange suit, picking up leaves and trash by the side of the freeway would just become another photo op.

No big deal for these people.

Having to sit in a small cell, sleeping on a tiny, hard bed, taking a crap in a small, stainless steel toilet, waking up when you are told to wake up, going to bed when you are told to go to bed, having to take you rmeals when you are told to (or just don't eat then), having to mind the guard (yes sir and no sir), etc., etc., etc...that is puishment and humiliation.

In Orwell's 1984 punishment was tailor-made. You take away what a man loves the most or you make him face what he fears the most. That is punishment.

Fpr PH, to go about and do whatever she wants and being able to order people around---that is what she seems to love the most.

Incarceration takes it away from her, for however short a period of time.

That's true punishment.

And what is wrong with egalitarianism in punishment? Punishment must fit the crime and all similarly situated people should be punished in a similar way.

I do not gloat over another person's misery (well, I would like Castro and his ilk suffer a slow, painful and long death, but that is just personal). But after watching PH strutting around with her pouty face, it sure felt good to see her whining face in the back of the patrol car.

If just one celebrity and celebrity wanna be gets teh message that if you f**k with the law the law will f**k with you, then it was all worthwhile!

BENZ-LGB · #**135** 06-10-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Paris Hilton in an orange jumpsuit along public roadways would result in such a paparazzi scrum and circus of the curious that public safety would be imperiled.

The lady, and many of her ilk, think they're above the law. Her family money and privilege have allowed her to skate up to this point, hence her utter disbelief that she is being held to account. A few weeks in jail might be the only thing that will sober her up, literally and figuratively. It's unfortunate that the legal system has to substitute for good parenting (a badly needed timeout) but that's often the case, unfortunately.

If that's class envy, then Ahm guilty.

OMG...it finally happened. Carlos and I are seeing eye-to-eye on every single point in one issue.

Check the planetary alignment, something big is about to happen.